
“This is my ACTING helmet.”
In keeping with Peter Jackson’s style of pacing, I briefly considered using the first thousand words of this review to describe just my journey from the box office counter to the concession stand. Sure, we wouldn’t get to the climactic culmination of our stated quest for another two or three reviews, but, so many fascinating things happened along way there! Me fixating on the ticket taker’s weird mole, fights over whether my compatriots and I should buy nachos or whoppers, debates over popcorn butter, conflict over who should be allowed to sit in our section… What seemed at first to any rational person like only a tiny hint at a complete story could, the more I thought about it, scrutinizing every asinine detail, surely become a tale all its own! HUZZAH! I SHALL NOW SING A 10-MINUTE SONG ABOUT MY QUEST, ACCOMPANIED BY THE PAN FLUTE!
O’er to the sneeze guard I didst go, yonder through the Starburst candies ‘neath flecked glass belooooowwww…
Phew! That was hard. And tedious. Luckily for you, reader, I am no Peter Jackson. I lack that level of dedication.
Okay, so I understood going in that was to be the first of three separate, nearly three-hour movies covering Tolkien’s shortest middle Earth book, and maybe that shouldn’t be the first complaint. Hell, I even liked that book. But it’s impossible to overstate how swindled you feel coming out of a movie where the characters spend hours talking about a climactic battle at a place they don’t even get halfway to. Think Wyatt Earp and Doc Holliday Walk One Third of the Way to the OK Corral: A Very Peter Jackson Western (featuring a carefully-shot, 90-minute scene of Doc trying to mount his horse). I’m convinced Peter Jackson’s version of Chekhov’s Gun would hold that if you show a loaded gun onstage in the first act, someone better have gone on a side quest to buy an ornate holster for it at the end of three hours. What I’m saying is, there are ways to tell a story episodically (see: almost any cable show). The way not to do it is to constantly remind the audience of where the final ending will be and then not produce. If beer doesn’t show up until the second movie, don’t spend half the first giving us bottle openers, cozies, beer menus, steins, etc. F*CK, MAN, WHERE’S THE BEER?! OH THERE IT IS, OFF IN THE DISTANCE!
If the structure is The Hobbit’s biggest problem, it’s far from its only problem. As someone who wasn’t that into the first three Lord of the Rings, The Hobbit doesn’t so much convert me as it helps to crystallize all the reasons why it got progressively less interesting as the series went along – much in the way that even Aaron Sorkin’s good shows had something vaguely obnoxious about them, but you couldn’t put your finger on it until The Newsroom. The Hobbit is Peter Jackson’s Newsroom. Let’s explain:
1. In a movie that’s a series of battles, the battles have no narrative arc.
Every battle scene in The Hobbit plays out like this: the good guys are surrounded, all hope is lost, and then the good guys win against all odds. There’s no rhyme or reason or progression, you’re just waiting for some inevitable deus ex machina to come in and win the day whenever Peter Jackson feels like it. Bilbo goes from being afraid of an unarmed Gollum in one scene to killing a full-grown orc in hand-to-hand combat in the next, without so much as a montage in between. WHAT THE HELL. Did he swallow one of those invincibility stars like Mario? And if so, why didn’t you show it? THAT might have been interesting. You can’t show a guy in a wheelchair and then two seconds later he’s dunking a basketball, and the only explanation is uplifting music. The characters have no agency. This movie is like watching a little kid play with his GI Joes.
2. Almost every scene has a “Well why didn’t you just do that in the first place” problem.
You watch something like Die Hard, John McClane will have a problem, like that he’s out numbered and doesn’t have enough bullets, so he comes up with a solution. Like maybe he grabs a fire extinguisher and throws it down a hall full of evil Teutons and he uses his last bullet to shoot the extinguisher and explode them into tiny bits of human spaetzle. You can argue the science of it, and the way action movies play fast and loose with shit that just explodes whenever you need it to, but for God’s sake, at least it’s a progression. In Peter Jackson’s Tolkien movies, Gandalf just stands there like an old asshole for 20 minutes while his buddies get their asses kicked and then when he’s let them suffer juuust enough, he pulls some trick out of his ass that levels the entire enemy army. Hey, Gandalf, if you could summon giant hawks that eat orcs, maybe you could’ve just done that in the first place? Like maybe when we started getting attacked by orcs? There’s no progression, just 20 minutes of you sitting there with cans of food until Gandalf tells you he’s had an opener this whole time. This guy is supposed to be the hero? I hate him.
3. Gollum is the only character with any semblance of a personality.
Gollum is a breath of fresh air, and easily the best part of this movie, mainly because the other characters don’t have personalities, only motivations. (With a bunch of no-name actors in silly make up, it’s hard not to be reminded of a Syfy original). Thorin Oakenshield, played by Richard Armitage, is ostensibly the leader of the quest to the Misty Mountain. His dominant personality trait? SELF-SERIOUSNESS. He shouts “NOOO!” when his father dies, dreams of avenging his father, and spends his days getting angry at people for not taking the quest to avenge his father seriously enough. YOU DWARVES SIT AROUND HERE MAKING JOKES? WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO DO, ENTERTAIN PEOPLE?! Meanwhile, Bilbo is ingenue, Gandalf is gravitas, and the rest of the dwarves just eat all of Bilbo’s food because they’re dicks. They’re all just props and make up dolls, and I’d like to think I know a little something about putting make up on dolls.
4. Gratuitously gross design.
I understand why Peter Jackson wants to stretch The Hobbit into three movies. It’s not because of the story, it’s because what really gets him off is the chance to bring to life all the mythical creatures. There’s nothing wrong with that, he’s great at it, and it’s why people like him. But he desperately needs someone else there who can edit. Practically every character in The Hobbit has a goiter, a leaky oozy lazy eye, warts, pimples, boogers, scars, schmegma, etc… I respect the level of craft and detail that goes into it, but at a certain point, I don’t want to stare at your fake vomit for another hour. Radagast the Brown, who was rightly the least popular wizard at wizard school, seems to be in the movie for no apparent reason other than Peter Jackson wanted to depict a man with birds underneath his hat and sh*t caked down the side of his face. A GUY WITH BIRD SH*T ON HIS FACE, WHAT WOULD WE EVER DO WITHOUT YOU, 3D.
Finally, I’m sure you all want to know about the 48 fps 3D. Fitting that it’s a technical detail that’s piqued the most interest in the first of three Hobbit movies. The 48 fps (representing about 450 of the 4000 locations playing The Hobbit) is, as many people have already noted, off-putting. Part of it is cultural, 48 fps looks strange because we’re used to seeing 24, but I think there’s a biological element as well. Being projected at 48 fps means that when the camera or characters move, there’s no motion blur. You’re used to seeing faster-moving elements blur, and when everything’s crisp at all speeds it decreases the sense that there’s one focal point to the action – something which I think is not just cultural but inherent to the way we perceive faster action in real life. Yo, Pete, what am I supposed to be looking at here, dude? There’s barely a depth of field. It looks like an old painting before the perspective school. Likewise, camera pans feel less like turning your head a different direction than like someone shifting your screen perspective in Google Earth. Certain actions (like characters walking, or moving their hands) also seem sped up, like they’re being played back at a faster speed, but I can’t explain why.
Odd as it looks, the higher frame rate wouldn’t be impossible to get used to. The question is, why? The higher frame rate is supposedly a fix for the way 3D is disorienting when the camera moves or cuts too fast, as your eyes try to calculate the extra focal planes. Fine. But The Hobbit never really convinces you that it needs to be in 3D in the first place. It’s a correction for a solution to something that wasn’t really a problem in the first place. For now, it’s effective as a curiosity. Hey, it got me into the theater. And what was I rewarded with once inside? Goiters, mean dwarves, an inept wizard, and a guy with bird sh*t on his face, all putting aside their differences so that they could walk part of the way to somewhere.
GRADE: C-



“(With a bunch of no-name actors in silly make up, it’s hard not to be reminded of a Syfy original)”
I stopped reading after that part. I won’t sit here and have you insinuate that SyFy movies are as bad as Hobbit movies.
Pretty much everyone is saying that this movie is a bloated, poorly-paced mess. Even the people who liked it.
I couldn’t sit through Lincoln. I stand no chance at this one.
But did Lincoln have bird shit on his face? I think not.
I loved the Fellowship of the Ring trilogy, I’ve read all the books more than once, but there is no way I’m paying to see this film in the theater.
So is this the first film adaptation of a novel that will take longer to see than it does to read?
Correct.
[filmdrunk.uproxx.com]
God damn, I also enjoyed the book but this is ridiculous. Of course, I remember all the rioting that happened in London when the UK ran out of Harry Potter movies.
CHALLENGE ACCEPTED.
*packs copy of The Hobbit, rubber finger page turner, and glasses with light attached to the bridge*
Hey, you’re assuming idiots like me can read that book in less than 9 hours.
“Fuck reading. That shit is a suckers game.”
-James Edward Franco, MFA Columbia University ’10, PhD Student Yale University.
I would counter with every rich uncle’s favorite – “Atlas Shrugged”.
Eh… I liked it. I was excited to see it but there were definitely things that bothered me.
Any way we can mold all of the vitriol for this crapfest into a “Nuke New Zealand” campaign?
My family is sooo excited about seeing this over Christmas. I honestly don’t know if I can drink enough to get through this without dying of alcohol poisoning.
At least it’s not War Horse.
My family would rather see Django Unchained, and I love them for that.
Here we see a classic case of the divide between television and movies. While pretty much everyone and their mom agrees that the Lord of the Rings movies generally suffer some pacing problems, a TV show can be lauded for similar pacing, a la Breaking Bad. Characters are told they’re going somewhere repeatedly and yet don’t actually get there for a long time, or characters often contemplate a problem for long stretches of time before presenting a solution. Guess which one I’m talking about? (Hint: both of them)
Apparently Peter Jackson would’ve been better off turning this into an AMC miniseries.
As for the movie, I dunno. I haven’t seen it yet. But I own the extended edition LotRs so I’m pretty sure I’m prepared, although I could seriously watch Ian McKellen talk about paint drying for three hours. Dudes got gravitas coming out his ass, and it’s awesome. Once Vince said he didn’t like the other trilogy, I kind of threw the rest of the critique out the window. This ain’t his cup o tea, and the flat characters are an issue with the source material. Although Peter deserves the blame for not adding to it to make them stronger.
Having read further, some of the worst parts of this one are things Peter Jackson added that weren’t in the book, like the giant hawks and the weird dinner party with Saruman.
Can’t comment on how I feel about them, although I do hate the deus ex eagles. I wish more directors would stray from source materials though in order to reinforce weaker elements of books. The LotR characters were never really all that well rounded with a few exceptions. But alas, this is the fantasy nerd’s Avengers or Transformers. Dubious technical value, but amazing for the target audience.
I hear Peter Jackson is doing ALF in trilogy at 48fps
uh the hawks/Eagles were in the Hobbit….
Not sure I get the Breaking Bad example here. It follows more closely the Die Hard structure referenced. There is almost always an immediate problem (a body to dispose, some stolen meth to get back, a need to find more methylamine etc.) and it’s usually immediately addressed. At worst it’s like the fire extinguisher scene in slow motion, but quasi-aimless and overly contemplative it is not.
I haven’t seen the Hobbit yet (and won’t in the theater) but if it truly includes the types of battle scenes Vince describes, I can’t imagine a show that would survive in giving us “win against all odds battles, because hawks” every week or two (Revolution?) combined with arriving at said battles at an intolerably slow pace.
After watching the movie this weekend, I can honestly say I disagree with Vince on the nature of the battle scenes, and the characters. Pacing still slow, but I never felt bored like in Skyfall. Almost all of what happened in the battle scenes is from the book, so again, this is a problem with source material, not the director. In fact, Peter added shit to make it better, like adding a pursuing antagonist, and Thorin confronting that antagonist during the warg/tree escape sequence, rather than the dwarves just throwing burning pine cones until the eagles picked them up (which is what happened in the book). The eagles only save them once (and it’s when the book said they did), although Gandalf does save them in every case, with some help (but again, this is the book, and I wouldn’t have minded if they had changed it).
Also, Bilbo doesn’t go from coward to bad-ass one-man wrecking machine like Vince suggests. He sneak tackles a goblin and stabs him. The goblin never saw him coming, so it didn’t really have a chance to defend himself. And when the others DO face him, he gets beaten pretty handily. Nothing really stood out as out of place, except for the Goblin King’s rather accepting final words.
As an unabashed LotR super nerd, I absolutely loved this movie. As a lover of cinema, I thought it was a swollen, strangely unemotional mess. The cognitive dissonance is wreaking havoc on me today
What he said.
Sounds like it’d be better to wait until all three movies are out, then get high and watch them all back-to-back-to-back on a rainy Saturday. Si?
I’ll bring the Z of shrooms
I’m in.
If I wanted to watch disgusting creatures humorlessly travel long distances I’d see Guilt Trip.
Hey, the more time in middle earth I get, the better! I thought it was too short.
Fucking fantasy nerds! Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m going to go masturbate to some more Stargate fan fiction.
can… can I come?
The main reason I won’t be seeing this movie is that being surprised by Steve Perry is one of my greatest fears.
So now there’s two shitty things that New Zealand has produced. This film and my ex girlfriend.
Did she make you dress up like a lamb and bahhhh during sex? Cause if not, she totally would have done that for you and you missed out.
It was kinkier when I dressed up as the father who abandoned her as a baby.
Girls with daddy issues FTW!
At least she didn’t bludgeon you to death for trying to separate her from her best friend. What a country.
Props for the reference. That movie is batshit.
Every time I see Melanie Lynskie now I think of that.
Peter Jackson wasn’t always… whatever he’s up to now.
This seems tailor-made for DVD: you can watch it in digestible bites of 15 or 20 minutes, and play the “walking” scenes at 4x speed to pick up the pace.
Of course, then it wouldn’t make 847 gazbillion dollars at the box-office, but I’m thinking of the viewing experience, not the producers’ bank account.
Always go nachos Vince. Whoppers are disgusting.
A prequel trilogy that could be covered in one movie, but instead of being an underdog like the first time, it’s a guarantee. So now the studio is using a bloated budget to indulge in the director’s every whim. This is basically the Phantom Menace of The Lord of the Rings.
I told a coworker the exact same thing this morning.
Holy crap! When I read that you were choosing between Whoppers and nachos I thought you meant the burger and I almost sold my house and moved to that theater. Thank God, I realized you meant disgusting malted milk balls instead of flame-broiled happiness before any papers were signed.
I like Whoppers. True story. Some of us love malted milk, okay?
Great. Now I’m going for a Whopper. MY FATNESS BE UPON YOUR HEAD!
Vince,
Enjoy the crunchy hell out of them. I just pictured ordering some Whoppers (one ketchup & mayo, one no onions, both with cheese) and the concession stand chick handing me a box of candy, and then there would have been a problem.
Hank,
It’s not like you’re going to 5 Guys or Sonic.
Can we just get burgers and malted milk balls coated in cheese sauce already?
God, used to be so pissed if I ever found Whoppers in my Easter basket and/or Christmas stockings when I was younger. Same is true 20 years later.
Who the hell is giving your Easter baskets at your age?
So to recap- bloated, stumbling, pointless, easily off track, can’t find it’s focus when it most needs it. Basically this is the Andy Reed of blockbuster movies and only a diehard Eagles fan/LOTR nut will like it?
If I went to theaters to watch movies, which I don’t, this would be at the top of my list of films that I also wouldn’t see.
The Journey IS the Destination -Peter Jacksons Gravestone
Watching Roy Nelson fight tomorrow night is the closest I’ll get to watching tolkien bearded dwarfs wage battle on screen ever again.
Instead of extended DVD versions, they will be offering truncated versions of the trilogy.
I’m usually a game-day fan of these, but couldn’t be bothered this time. Not enough hardcore fan excitement to get me riled up.
Just gonna sit at home this weekend, eating delicious, delicious Whoppers. And hell, I’ll throw in some Maltesers.
So Hobbit trilogy = Star Wars prequel trilogy equivalent?
Fuck no.
Hey guys I loved the Lord of the Rings movies, and I enjoyed the books. BUT THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL I’M GIVING THIS PIECE OF SHIT A CHANCE!!!
Ohhhh, look at the fancy boy with a sneeze guard in his movie theater. Must’ve been tough to install a 3-D projector in that ivory tower.
Do you think the fact Peter Jackson is from New Zealand–national motto, “Nothing Ever Happens Here”–is reflected in the formal aspects of the films he makes?
Because if so, I never want to visit Los Angeles, because that’s where Michael Bay was born. Or Miami Beach, birthplace of Brett Ratner.
I saw it in IMAX 3D and I liked it. I’d imagine I would have hated the 48fps crap though, considering how much I hate the 120hz feature on TVs. I’m not a LOTR superfan but I did enjoy the Hobbit book, and I enjoyed the LOTR movie trilogy. I was extremely skeptical about the 3-movie thing with the Hobbit, but you know what, it turned out to be paced very similarly to the first LOTR. A bunch of dwarfy mysticism explained by Gandalf mixed in with amazing setpieces and action sequences, a bunch of plot points that don’t make much sense but keep things moving (and maybe “that’s how it happened in the book!” or not, I’m not one to particularly care). It’s another LOTR movie. If you like the previous movies you won’t be Star Wars prequel-raped by this one, in fact you will probably enjoy it equally.
Vince is coming from more of a LOTR-movie-skeptic position which is fine, there are certainly valid critiques of the entire LOTR series (the most concise being “just watch Game of Thrones”), but you’re either one to enjoy this particular long-winded folky fable way of telling a story and the logic inconsistencies that follow, or else you just don’t. Nothing about it felt much different from the other LOTRs to me, and Bilbo is way more interesting of a main Hobbit than Frodo/Sam. Frodo is in this for 5 minutes and all I wanted to do was punch his curly-haired face.
Some of Vince’s complaints are dead-on though. Peter Jackson clearly has editing/pacing issues, Birdshit Wizard was terrible (most WTF side character since Penis Dog in John Carter, but less unintentionally hilarious) and I had a similar reaction to the abundance of disgustingly-faced characters after a while. But if you think about it, when the good guys have birdshit on their face and bulbous dwarf noses, and the bad guys have floppy scrotum chins, it does lend some potency to the scene where a pristine and beautiful Cate Blanchett arrives to swelling string music and Gandalf spends the entire scene looking like he’s about to cast a spell in his pants.
I enjoyed it more than the first 3. But Peter Jackson is pulling a George Lucas here as well by adding in tangents that refer to the later films. I wonder if this has to do with the directors personal passion involved with setting the scene… or a reflection on how stupid the average person is where they have to be hit over the head with exposition on how this film predates the events of the first 3 films.
Just saw the movie in IMAX HFR. Only a few scenes did I notice the HFR, and also I usually get nauseated on roller coasters, but I didn’t feel it during the movie. Overall its a decent movie, definitely aimed towards kids, but I never read the book so not sure if it was changed from source material. You could have easily shaved off 30 mins from the movie, but unless you have places to go or things to do, who cares? I would say the 15-20 mins of Star trek that preceded the movie plus all the trailers seemed to make it extra long. As far as the movie goes, and even the LOR’s films. I’ve never understood the powers of Gandolf. One minute he is all powerful, the next he is just a toked out dude. I mean if you can summon giant eagles whenever you want, why not do that off the bat and save yourself from traveling dangerous areas. Also how are these dwarves so weak/crappy compared to the one in LOR??? He would kill orcs or trolls as easy as an ant, but these guys can barely hold their own, at least in sum scenes. Good movie, a bit long, check your brain at the door and enjoy :)
Why do you do this to me Vincenzo? Why must you hurt us? We just want to see some hobbits walking around shooting the shit with some dwarves, just let me enjoy it in peace.
Long time Tolkien and film fan, I was quite taken by The Fellowship of The Ring, then much, much less taken by each of the following parts, and even less so after King Kong. Jackson has made a lot of money off this franchise, but now I can’t stand his work. Too many sweeping camera shots, far, far too many. Scripts that are just too inane and facile. And Jackson’s characters must come away suffering from vitamin D, for the lack of natural light they get to enjoy. The man just can’t work with light or colour or the spoken word. He’s too much glaring, empty artifice. He certainly knows to how drain all the magic and majesty out of Middle-Earth. For a fan of Tolkien, Jackson sure has a strange, strange way of showing it!He thinks he’s making films like David Lean would, but oh, dear, he’s certainly not in that league. Just imagine the Lord of the Rings made by David Lean… Dear Lord, just imagine that! Instead, well, we have what we have. Despite all the fanfare and revenue, Peter Jackson is just a second rate filmmaker granted a franchise far beyond his ability. But never mind! Eventually somebody will do the whole thing over. And even if they don’t get it perfect, they’ll get it so much better than Jackson did. But no more Yanks in the title roles, please!
A second rate filmmaker granted a franchise beyond his ability? Dear lord. The internet is such a murky bog. Yes, let’s all imagine a David Lean LOTR. And a Kubrick LOTR. I personally would prefer a DW Griffith LOTR. Shut the fuck up dude.
And we give Brits and Aussies ALL our shit these days.
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Saw the original LoTR trilogy once and hated every fucking second of it. But I saw them to see them. Cultural zeitgeist and shit. This go around? I’m good. Let me stick with the Asylum and hope for good crossover appeal with Bai Ling.
“Willow” with whiskey dick.
Hey comments, tl: dr,
Gandalf had to be above ground to butterfly whisper to tell it to find the eagles. or some odd shit. Also dwarves like food and don’t break plates. Time to step back and re-evaluate the importance of over analyzing the bullshit in your brain feed.
Where am I?
Man, I gotta say, I just don’t think the fantasy genre is your bag.
I just got back from The Hobbit, and I thought it was a great time. It wasn’t the book (although it did have the book IN it) but that was fine, because it was all still cool stuff they added.
And I had no clue what the 48 fps was going to look like…I had read all the disgusted ravings online, so the bar was already set low….and what do you know, I liked it. A lot. And most of the shit you said I agree with. The quick movement, the Google Earth panning (dead on)…it has it’s problems for SURE. But when it clicks (the first dwarf/orc battle, the stone giants, the Goblin City, Rivendell, the brief eagle flying) it was some of the most visually stunning imagery I’ve ever seen in a theater. Some of that stuff was mind-blowing.
Anyway, I had a fantastic time. It’s not perfect, but it’s a great fantasy adventure, even if it IS only part of one, and the HFR isn’t perfect either, but when it works it’s breathtaking. I don’t want it to be any kind of cinematic standard, but I can’t wait to see how it’s used down the road and in various other hands. Fuck the haters, Avatar 2 in 60 frames. A THOUSAND frames.
Man, every time I don’t like a movie someone throws out a genre saying “maybe ____ just isn’t your bag.” Fill that blank with Peter Jackson and yeah, that’s probably accurate, otherwise… Do you really want the fucking Hobbit to define the entire fantasy genre? If there isn’t room to dislike this movie and still enjoy future entries to the genre then God help this genre.
Yow. No no…what? The Hobbit should absolutely not define the entire fantasy genre, just like something like Willow shouldn’t…doesn’t mean I don’t love the shit out of Willow.
It just kinda seemed like a lot of the problems you had with it were stuff that make fantasy/adventure movies great. A self-serious heroic ‘leader’ who’s avenging his father and says “NOOOO” a lot? I dunno, that’s a cool TROPE. That’s what I see fantasy/adventure movies having. Gross creature designs? You’re complaining about gross creature designs?! I LOVE gross creatures and wizards covered in shit. That appeals to the little kid in me.
Anyway, if you also love other fantasy movies, then nevermind what I said. I don’t know your thoughts on other fantasy movies. You absolutely don’t have to love The Hobbit. But you SHOULD, cause it’s rad.
:D
Why does the prevailing precognition seem to be that many people had made up their minds before they went to see The Hobbit that they would dislike it?
“I am gonna hate this movie,”
*gone for three hours*
“See???”
What is proven by that stance? Why is it so “internet chic” to shit on this movie? Why do so many seemed determined to spoil the fun? I do not understand.
How is that any different than you going in thinking you’d love it and loving it? I do think a lot of it boils down to either liking Peter Jackson’s style or not. I thought he was okay at his best. I promise you, me thinking it sucked had nothing to do with wanting to be cool. It’d be a much better business decision for me to love it.
If you’re reading movie reviews prior to seeing it, then you’re just asking for the fun to be spoiled. If reviews are spoiling the fun after you see it, then perhaps you should seek some professional help.
@Vince – Ah, but I didn’t go believing that I would love it. I tried to be as skeptical as I could, even with my tremendous Middle Earth bias. The movie exceeded my expectations. (Also, I didn’t necessarily mean to imply YOU were shitting on it to run with the cool kids. I have seen a lot of people shitting on it.)
@matty – It did NOT ruin any of my fun. :)
Indeed, I rarely go into movies expecting to either love or hate them.
Prometheus hurt me deeply though. I expected to love bejeezus out of that movie. I still find it entertaining and beautiful to look at, but it disappointed me greatly.
The Hobbit; I went in knowing that I wouldn’t be bored because I’m a big Middle-Earth/Tolkien fan, but I was definitely skeptical since Guillermo del Toro dropped out, and I stand by the fact that if he’d directed this movie it would’ve been one of the, if not THE best fantasy movie of our time. (NOTHING WILL EVER TOP CONAN THE BARBARIAN I SWEAR IT)
Alas, it was still better than I expected, given that Peter Jackson was directing it.
I can haz tipos?
As a film student, this movie boggled my mind. One of the principles all my professors universally preach is “shorter is better.” Start in the middle of the action, get things going within 10 pages/minutes, cut to and from things in motion, etc. It baffles me that (well) paid professionals who have been in the game for a while (Jackson, Freeman, McKellen) were given access to crazy resources and they ended up with The Hobbit.
I can just picture Jackson watching the editor’s first cut:
“WHERE IS RADAGAST?!?”
“Huh? Oh, I thought leaving out the dude with the shit stains in his beard really improved the pacing of–”
“And why is there only ONE preface?”
“Hahahahahaha good one. Wait, seriously? Ugh, whatever you say, dude.”
I’m not trying to sound like a know-it-all: most of my output at this point is shitty. But that’s because I’m still a n00b with no budget and no access to decent actors. My excuse is I’m a poor student who doesn’t know what he’s doing. What’s yours, Peter Jackson? If it’s a short children’s book then make a tight, magical little movie. We already got the epic, long-winded stuff.
This isn’t the Worst Movie of All Time… I liked some parts. I guess I’m just bitter that I paid $15 to watch a guy with shit on his face. In 3D, no less.
You also haven’t won 13 Oscars. If I won 13 Oscars, I’d have a tough time trimming any shit after that down too.
Also: I was pumped I GOT to pay 15 bucks to watch a wizard with shit on his face in 3D. What an age we live in.
I wanted to love this movie…but it felt like a cartoon. It felt like my 2 year old daughter was summarizing the movie at times. When the goblin king says “what are you gonna do” gets cut and says “That will do it.” I nearly walked out. That brilliant bit of banter was the nuked fridge of this movie. From then on I went from “trying” to enjoy it to just seeing the bad. When they fall down again and again, down massive chasms….on wooden bridges, ..ect…nobody gets hurt. A fall from the roof onto a snow covered ground killed Santa in The Santa Clause, and a drop of 150+ feet onto a rocky gorge below…did nothing. How did they let this happen? And honestly, I thought the acting was as good as it needed to be, but the script itself was the problem. Thorin is a one note character because he only has one note lines. It’s depressing.
I know! It would a much better fantasy/adventure movie if they only fell like ten feet, and someone still sprained an ankle. Now THAT’S entertainment!
I saw this last night and I still can’t believe there was a scene straight out of the Phantom Menace where a bunch of characters from the original trilogy sit around and talk about some unseen threat.
Its just bad as the lotr films. For some reason the reverence for the source material for those films seems to have blinded people to their flaws. Relying on constant deus ex machina is just bad story telling, and its just one of the reasons its hard to get emotionally invested in the films, these are fan service films, not adapted to work as films but to be slavish translations of the book.
Also I think people should consider that jackson has had a conflict of interest for a long time. In new zealand he’s like george lucas, but without any competitors or industry around him, he is their film industry…his weta computer graphics studio was built on lotr, and he has to keep them working, he has to keep all the lotr people working on sets and effects and the rest, he is in effect a giant new zealand jobs program, so unlike other filmmakers who only care their film is the best it can be, he has to keep his friends working and his weta studio busy with work, so he has every motivation to stretch everything out as long as he can… and we get the result, hours of boring.