If you’re not in a member of critic’s organization that gives year-end awards or a guild (director’s, writer’s etc.) that does same, chances are, you may not have heard about the controversy over whether Kathryn Bigelow’s Zero Dark Thirty (which has been nominated for best picture by virtually every critic’s association and guild) is “pro torture.” There’s something unspeakably obnoxious about a controversy over a movie no one in the general public has seen, not to mention awards going to a movie no one but awards voters have seen. Anyway, I was content to ignore it for as long as possible (or at least until I’d actually seen it), and normally I’d value John McCain’s opinion somewhere below John McClane’s opinion, but as a normally-hawkish person who has actually experienced torture, McCain’s input on this one might board some water. Uh, hold some water. And he says it gets the facts wrong.
Sen. John McCain watched the movie Monday night and says it left him sick — because it’s wrong.
McCain, who spent 5 1/2 years enduring brutal treatment by his North Vietnamese captors during the Vietnam War, has insisted that the waterboarding of al-Qaida’s No. 3 leader, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, did not provide information that led to the bin Laden’s compound in Pakistan.
Yet the movie, of copy of which McCain said he received Monday, indicates that’s how the United States found the al-Qaida leader. The filmmakers fell for it hook, line and sinker, McCain, R-Ariz., said Tuesday.
Last year, McCain asked then-CIA Director Leon Panetta for the facts, and he said the hunt for bin Laden did not begin with fresh information from Mohammed. In fact, the name of bin Laden’s courier, Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti, came from a detainee held in another country.
“Not only did the use of enhanced interrogation techniques on Khalid Sheikh Mohammed not provide us with key leads on bin Laden’s courier, Abu Ahmed, it actually produced false and misleading information,” McCain said in a speech on the Senate floor. [Yahoo/AP]
Whoa, bro, how about a “spoiler alert?” Anyway, like I said, I HAVEN’T SEEN THE DAMNED MOVIE, NOR HAS HARDLY ANYONE ELSE… And while you can trust John McCain to speak with some authority about the value of torture, I’m not sure how to take his interpretations as a film critic. I guess we’ll see. Personally, I don’t know much about waterboarding, I just think it’s a crime what they did to that poor man’s collar.

Also, I don’t want to alarm anyone, but it’s two days before the Mayans predicted the apocalypse and John McCain and Bret Easton Ellis are agreeing.
The US critics lauding Zero Dark Thirty need to admit that they’re admiring a morally indefensible movie. I don’t care how “exciting” it is.
— Bret Easton Ellis (@BretEastonEllis) December 19, 2012




I didn’t sleep at all last night, because I couldn’t stop thinking about how many college comedy troupes are working on This is Zero Dark 40 sketches right now.
Don’t be misleading, Vince. Bret Easton Ellis was calling the movie “morally indefensible” because it has a female director, not because of the torture depicted in it (although he does consider watching a female directed movie a form of torture).
You wanna talk torture? I had to sit through Battleship TWICE!
Twilight Breaking Dawn three times in 1 weekend.
Man, that’s just too brutal. If you need to self-harm, just cut yourself instead.
TF you have three different girlfriends? I hope you got laid each time.
Not at all Eddie. First time was with my niece, second with my parents, and the Sunday matinee with some friends who I have decided would be in my best interest not to associate with.
The Hobbit at a midnight show and then The Hobbit again at the first noon showing the next morning. I see that bird-shit covered face in my nightmares now.
Oh man, I can’t wait for some clueless McCain supporter to stumble into the comments section. This will be good.
*sits down in beanbag chair*
*unbuttons pants*
*cracks open a Zima*
Why would that be good?
Much less, worth waiting for?
All torture should be administered through hot chicks in latex fetish outfits while German Industrial Metal is playing.- John Waters, as Obama’s new DHS head.
You know, I’m not totally against f-cking Kathryn Bigelow. Just sayin’.
Wait, so based on the second photo from the bottom (not the gif), Ron Jeremy appears in Zero Dark Thirty?
What I find hilarious in this whole situation is that some of these interwed clowns actually believe that Torture would have a chance against McCain. Granted, these are mostly GOP fanboys, but still, the point must be made. John McCain is a 5 term Senator in Washington who was the first westerner to lose a presidential election to Barack Obama. He served as a lieutenant commander in the United States and is trained to kill as a matter of course. His skills don’t depend on his weight or his current physical condition – if he wants to, who could dismantle Bret Easton Ellis in a few seconds.
The only thing McCain was trained to do in the Navy was fly airplanes which he didn’t do very well. Right now he is a old crippled politician (read liar) and I wouldn’t trust anything he says or does. I will give him credit for using his POW fame to trade in his first wife for a hot young heiress to a major beer distributor.
Well we didn’t get a McCain supporter to stumble in here yet but we did get a hater who still can’t let the pre-2008 election night hate go.
JTRO, you’re asking for a McCain supporter to show up, but then complaining about a hater. You’re hating on a hater while waiting for someone to show up to hate on. Is there a part of that analysis is wrong?
I see what you did there PDM… and I would definitely pony up for that fight
Yeah most of that is wrong. This isn’t Huffington Post, you don’t get points for keeping election grudges the longest. Luckily this isn’t FOX either, where you get points for pro-torture shows like “24″.
Other than maybe Sep: You guys do realize PDM is parodying a bat-shit Seagal fan’s comment from an earlier article, right?
Nikita Glushkov: What I find hilarious in this whole situation is that some of these interwed clowns actually believe that Couture would have a chance against Seagal. Granted, these are mostly UFC fanboys, but still, the point must be made. Steven Seagal is a 7th degree black belt in Aikido who was the first westerner good enough at a Japanese discipline that he was allowed to open his own dojo in Japan. He served as a personal body guard to the emperor of Japan and is trained to kill as a matter of course. His skills don’t depend on his weight or his current physical condition – if he wants to, who could dismantle Randy Couture in a few seconds.
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Stallonewolf: Mr Mancini, you forgot to collect the homework!
Sorry, I was just getting weirded out by the semi-political jibber jabber that this seemed to be descending into.
It’s okay. I was just enjoying it and hoping for real anger and hurt feelings like the time in 10th grade I tricked two guys into fist fighting each other with dick jokes.
That detainee held in another country did not give up the information because of torture, it was likely cut out of him with a chainsaw.
Bigelow’s choice is fine.
So how does this all relate to the hot ginger next to the block quote?
She’s like Christina Hendricks with a crack addiction.
I don’t know what it is, I am almost always into ginger women but Jessica Chastain is gross. She reminds me of how my nose looks after three days with a bad head cold at my grandma’s house (she only buys generic tissue. It isn’t the same thing).
JTRO, can I get you sick and have sex with your nose?
Even more unrealistic is the part near the end when they dump Osama’s body at sea without any photo or video evidence released to the public of his death. I mean, come on!
If waterboarding is as awesome as wakeboarding, then I could totally see one of these camel fuckers ratting out Hodji #1 for a chance to go catch some massive airs on Lake Durka Durka or wherever it is they park their fucking boat over there.
You can never go wrong by ending an article with a gif of Hugh Laurie in a powdered wig.
So our elected officials have some sort of “Show and Tell” time where they get to talk about whatever the hell they want instead of our most pressing issues? “I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: democracy simply doesn’t work”
You sound like Feeny.
Wait… so Bigelow made an inaccurate film about the military?
WHO COULD’VE SEEN THAT COMING?! I’M SO FUCKING SHOCKED RIGHT NOW. HURT LOCKER WAS SO REALISTIC AND BELIEVABLE!!
To be fair, John McCain considers a bag of chips up on the top shelf a form of torture.
Dude, over the line.
It happens.
Awesome
LOLocaust
Sorry, next time I’ll put the “no spoilers” thing in sarcastifont so that it’s read as intended.
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My link’s not working and I totally need that font Vince.
John McCain should go away. He’s an angry old man. Was he in these interrogation rooms?
Speckinzeedouche: No, but other people were — other people who will tell you torture doesn’t work in general and wasn’t the reason we found Bin Laden this time. Good enough for ya?
I mean, right is right, whether you think McCain was worth voting for or not (I didn’t). Credit where credit’s due.
That wasn’t the only factual problem this film had, by the way. The problem is that however many millions of people see it will come away with a warped version of the truth because of a vividly told tale on the big screen. Which is to say, the problem is us.