
Just look at this fratboy rapist
Ugh. I really didn’t want to write about this, but I guess I have to. So James Gunn, known to a cult handful as a kitschy-clever Troma-trained director of films like Super and Slither, back in 2011 wrote a kitschy-campy, tongue-in-cheek blog post called “The 50 Superheroes You Most Want to Have Sex With.” A post which, for some reason the “guide to geek girl culture” site The Mary Sue only picked up on this week, calling it a “slut-shaming, misogynist, homophobic post” (thanks to the internet, I can now spell “misogynist” without a dictionary!). From which followed the requisite online petition to get James Gunn removed from his job directing the much higher-profile Guardians of the Galaxy, which Marvel hired him to do back in August. The petition garnered a relatively paltry 3,100 signatures.
Naturally, James Gunn had to monkey dance for the self-appointed morality police in an apology posted by GLAAD:
“A couple of years ago I wrote a blog that was meant to be satirical and funny. In rereading it over the past day I don’t think it’s funny. The attempted humor in the blog does not represent my actual feelings. However, I can see where statements were poorly worded and offensive to many. I’m sorry and regret making them at all,” Gunn writes.
“People who are familiar with me as evidenced by my Facebook page and other mediums know that I’m an outspoken proponent for the rights of the gay and lesbian community, women and anyone who feels disenfranchised, and it kills me that some other outsider like myself, despite his or her gender or sexuality, might feel hurt or attacked by something I said. We’re all in the same camp, and I want to do my best to make this world a better place for all of us. I’m learning all the time.” [THR]
If you knew anything about James Gunn or had ever seen a Troma film, you’d know the “offending” post was par for course – kitschy, gleefully vulgar, and written in tongue-in-cheek vernacular. The worst you could say about it was that it was un-PC, and duh, that’s Troma’s entire mission statement. That stuff wouldn’t even exist without humorless, content-deaf outrage merchants to clutch their pearls over it. As far as I can tell, this was the language Susana Polo of the Mary Sue had such a problem with:
[Backstory: Basically, Gunn and Rainn Wilson polled people on Facebook and Twitter about which comic book characters they'd most like to have sex with. Gunn posted the results with a short blurb reviewing each character.]
5. Gambit
My girlfriend voted for this Cajun fruit. I think she’s looking to have a devil’s three way with the two of us. The idea of my balls slapping against Gambit’s makes me sick to my stomach, but I can’t deny the fellow’s pure HEAT, as he yet again placed so high on this list, despite being male and in the presence of so many A-listers. Wolverine and Superman may beat him in sales, but it’s who the ladies love that really matters, and Gambit is the Galactus of Cock!8. The Black Widow
It’s hard to believe the Russian spy who Tony Stark called “sexual napalm” didn’t even rank last year! Natasha Romanova is the highest debut on the list, and, considering she’s f*cked half the men in the Marvel Universe, it’s much deserved.21. Nightwing (pictured)
Okay, uh, yeah, I can see where you would want some of that sh*t.32. Batwoman
This lesbian character was voted for almost exclusively by men. I don’t know exactly what that means. But I’m hoping for a Marvel-DC crossover so that Tony Stark can “turn” her. She could also have sex with Nightwing and probably still be technically considered a lesbian.34. Batgirl – Stephanie Brown
Being a teen mom and all, you know she’s easy. Go for it.38. The Flash – Wally West
Many of the people who voted for the Flash were gay men. I have no idea why this is. But I do know if I was going to get f*cked in the butt I too would want it to be by someone who would get it over with quick. [source]
It’s a bit tedious and comic-book-insider for my tastes, but slut-shaming and homophobic? No. And having spent three years in a grad school liberal arts program with an 85% female student body, trust me, I’ve had pleeenty of lessons in slut-shaming and homophobia. At some point you have to be able to distinguish between “gay people shouldn’t have sex” and “I personally don’t want to have gay sex,” which most of the not-great jokes in this were implying (in an obviously silly, tongue-in-cheek way). He was being silly. It’s not some secret code meant to incite the gay krystallnacht.
Now, here‘s how someone who doesn’t get context would read it:
What’s wrong is the sheer amount of slut-shaming (on only the female characters) and anti-gay language that Gunn directs towards the majority of the male characters. These are not opinions befitting somebody who’s been given the task of bringing a major part of the Marvel Universe to the big screen (a set of characters, I might add, that includes a lesbian superhero couple, not that they’ll be appearing in Guardians).
The screenshot at the top of this post is the entirety of what he has to say about Batwoman, which is both a reference to the idea that lesbians just need a good (read: streotypically masculine) man to have sex with them and they’ll be “cured” of their homosexuality, a delusion at the heart of an innumerable number of rapes;
He made a tongue-in-cheek comment about the kinds of things a comic book writer would write (or the plot of an entire Kevin Smith movie). Or, in internet-outrage parlance: BURN HIM! HE’S PROMOTING RAPE CULTURE!
and a dig at Nightwing, one of the few male characters in comics who has actually gotten away with being drawn for the female gaze. Apparently, having been depicted as a female sex fantasy occasionally (and still with nowhere near the frequency that any given female character is drawn for the male gaze) instead of a male power fantasy literally makes him a woman.
But let’s not end with the anti-gay sentiment! Sometimes, women are qualitatively less attractive because they have sex with people! “I sometimes think that the Black Canary is the hottest chick in the DC Universe until I remember that she, uh, fucks Green Arrow.” On Stephanie Brown, a teen mother who made the painful decision to give her baby up for adoption, “Being a teen mom and all, you know she’s easy. Go for it.” [MarySue]
Oh God, I’m so bored already. I guess this sh*t is new for people who’ve never sat through a freshman gender studies seminar, but for the rest of us it’s soooooo booooooring. Let’s not forget, he’s talking about cartoon characters. Comic books are sexist? Wow, no sh*t. I’d never expect that from something designed for horny 12-year-old boys. Next you’ll tell me “Barely Legal Semen Dumpsters” objectifies women. Look, and I say this as a liberal, this PC no-fun police crap does us all a disservice. Maybe try to focus on actual discrimination and substantive disenfranchisement rather than harmless words and jokes made by PEOPLE WHO ARE ON YOUR SIDE. Just a thought.
And suddenly, I’m reminded of that Mark Twain quote about arguing with idiots. So, if you saw this post and said “tl;dr,” congratulations, you were right.



people really need to stop being such faggots about their feelings
Jesus Christ. Of course the No Fun police are offended by a BLOG post, from a guy who’s largely famous for making sh*t like this (NSFW/Terrifying): [i.imgur.com]
“I’m sorry and regret making them at all.”
Unfortunately he was talking about these lame jokes and not his movies.
Fuck off, go watch Slither and say that again
Seen it. I stand by my statement.
You’re dumb.
Does Wolverine’s healing factor protect him from AIDS?
Yup.
but does it heal him from a broken heart?
and he has to be the gay that suffers the most, every time someone shoves his dick in his ass he´s losing his virginity.
I always confuse slut shaming with slut chamois, and the results are sexxxxxy.
Why are gay men hilarious about being gay and gay women are humorless about it? Riddle me THAT, God.
the oppressive patriarchal society in which we live indoctrinates women into thinking that they at all times must be up in arms for fear that they end up becoming victims of said patriarchal society? i’m just kidding i don’t have a fucking clue
I guess gay men are at least still men. Gay women are both gay and women; they’ve got no chance.
I couldn’t get past the picture of the cartoon man’s buttcheeks without thinking of “I’m just a Rock & Roll Clown” by Dr. Rockso. So that’ll be stuck in my head all weekend. Thanks, Vince!
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THIS WAS A C-C-C-GREAT READ, MANCINI!
That was awesome.
Jesus, it’s a little dusty in here from all the UNELECTED MEMBERS OF THE MALE PATRIARCHY CIRCLING THEIR PENIS-DRIVEN WAGONS!!!!! One sweet day, when absolutely NOTHING is amuzing, we will ALL live on Equality Street.
we”ll all be back here again in a couple years when Polo is directing a film and HER blog is called into question.
hahaha. just kidding. no we wont.
Do comic book characters count as “colored people”? If so, add racism to Gunn’s blackball petition.
See, this is why in my blogs, I only make fun of myself. And even then, I get a little nervous. What if one day I woke up filled with self-loathing and decided to sue myself for every cent I’ve got? Then I’d be broke. And the lawyers would take the money that I got by suing myself.
How Mystic was not number 1 on his list is baffling to me. Sleeping with Mystic is like wishing for more wishes. You could tag every single female superhero on that list by choosing Mystic. This guy is not nerdy enough in my opinion.
Isn’t it Mystique? Also, he didn’t make the choices. He was only commenting on the responses to his poll.
1) He didn’t choose the order, just wrote the commentary.
2) It’s Mystique. As in “The Feminine Mystique”. Becase she’s mysterious, not magical.
3) Mystique may or may not have habitually turned into a man for sexual purposes. Make of that what you will.
*reads No. 3, stares off*
Yup, Mystique it is. And being that you could also tag every single male superhero on that list as well, her value only improves. Anyways, Mrs. Incredible should be #2.
I’m just offended that people really do want to have sex with all these fictional characters. I’m perfectly fine fucking my pillow. It’s real.
This crap is the reason that, even though I’m interested in and agree with the general premise of both atheism and feminism, I have a hard time following blogs based on either (though I do read Lindy West regularly). This is probably a gross generalization but I blame the influx of undergraduate degrees with limited practical applications. A BA in Religious or Women’s Studies = $10-12/hr day job and a blog. Ooh and for the record, a non-specific tweet or page comment doesn’t count as a legitimate death threat.
Is night wing single?
What? I’m asking for a friend.
How many sluts would a slut-shamer shame if a slut-shamer could shame sluts?
trick question! the answer is men! always men!
Sixty-nine, probably.
Ever notice how GLAAD just never is?
Isn’t “innumerable number of rapes” an oxymoron? Doesn’t innumerable mean beyond number? Maybe Ms. Polo should have spent less time on Womyn’s Studies and more time learning about the English language.
Correct. ‘Innumerable rapes’ is what she was looking for. In her pile of innumerable dildos.
Not even Professor X’s powerful telepathy could summon his boner from his crippled pants
I feel kind of disappointed that you didn’t mention the person in the comments comparing the article to her cousins rape.
I barely got through the post, not a chance in hell I was reading the comments.
“had to monkey dance for the self-appointed morality police in an apology posted by GLAAD”
I love the mental imagery this creates.
I’m more upset that the angry lady seems to have gotten GOTG confused with Legion of Superheroes, unless the Guardians also have a lesbian couple.
I’m shocked to hear James Gunn is accused of sexism and homophobia, considering he looks like Ellen DeGeneres’ twin brother.
This just in;
People be dim, frail-egoed fagets.
Vince, please stop qualifying these posts with ‘”as a liberal…” I guess it makes sense if you want to avoid the Oliver Stone effect, but I still feel like saying “I’m on your side!” gives these people an unwarranted sense of legitimacy. Go straight for the rear naked choke!
I know, but I swear, you can’t shit on the PC police without the O’Reilly types thinking you’re on their side. I just want to bust in like Royal Tenenbaum, shoot them both in the hand with a BB gun and shout “THERE ARE NO TEAMS!”
Ha, first of all, that mental image is awesome. But I guess my point is just, who cares? Spelling out the idiocy of this PC claptrap stands on its own. If a conservative agrees with you… who cares? I mean, all else equal, shouldn’t that be sort of encouraging? And why would you want to say you’re on the same side as people who are extorting public apologies from comedians?
Sorry if this sounds intense or dickish; I definitely don’t mean it that way. Here at DISH, we always try to strike a cordial tone…
It seems as though issues like this are coming up more and more. What’s completely absurd is Gunn (and others in similar situations) actually apologizing. Issuing such a statement not only validates the attacker, it invites more of the like. What a fucking pussy.
Where’s Jon Hamm when you need him?
“What I said was meant to be more on pervasiveness of something in our culture, not personal, but she took offense to it and that is her right.”-Hamm “apologizing” to some “Fucking Idiot”
These people should really be astronauts, and fly to the moon where there’s nobody to unintentionally “hurt” their “feelings.”
Also, Gambit is the Galactus of Cock.
“James Gunn is, like, such an asshole. He’s, like, totally a dick”. –The Mary Sue
I think those catty whores just want to suck his dick.
In a perfect world, Gunn’s response would have been “I’m sorry if you didn’t find my previous attempts at humor to be funny. But I won’t apologize for the attempt to be funny, especially when it’s at the expense of fictional characters.”
Or just copy and past the lyrics to KISS’s “Love Gun”, I dunno.
I was in a Film Studies class once and one of the students started going on about the Male Gaze. Unfortunately, it wasn’t a term most of us were aware of so to us he was just going “THE MALE GAYS! YOU KNOW! THE MALE GAYS!”
If we went after politicians like the internet went after Gunn, Capitol Hill would be empty. As a huge comics fan, the only thing he said that I object to was what he said about Batgirl, but y’know what? He can say it. Someone was going to say it anyway, it was an arc that was shoved down everyone’s throat and Steph is the poster child for causes in the Batman universe. It’s not fair, but it’s there. To pretend otherwise is hypocrisy. He’s making a movie about a talking raccoon and a sentient tree. Let’s not pretend he’s this great bastion of civilization.
This is why I love Adam Carolla: he has the stones (not to mention the creative independence) to tell these people to get lost.
I wonder if this is making that Thor chick who started a chick war with this blog make angry (crappy) Chewbacca sounds.
Nice one Prof Talc with the Dish Network, that made me laugh yo.
This is a good example why people think feminists and women are humorless. Anyone without sand in their vagina can tell it was written as an intentionally dim-witted and immature commentary on which cartoons people want to bang. He clearly didn’t write it with the intention of have well-adjusted adults agree with what he was saying.
Also, I read The Mary Sue for like a week before I couldn’t take the “Why are lady comic book characters drawn so sexy?!?! It’s so sexist!” stuff anymore. Uh, ladies? The male comic book characters are super buff guys flying around in skintight spandex, they’re hardly slobby eunuchs.
Is engaging your lady-rage that important? Personally, I like to save mine for important times like when I have to hate someone because I don’t like their face. Or when I have to yell at other drivers with my windows up while I’m driving.