My Dinner with A-Holes
For younger people, people younger than 45, say, I suspect all I’d have to say about Roman Polanski’s new film Carnage is that it takes place entirely within two rooms of an apartment building and the hall, and they’d stay away in droves. You kids with your short attention spans and your facetime and your f*ckable iPads, that’s an immature and close-minded reason not to see a movie. But in this case, luckily, there are also plenty of others.
Based on the play God of Carnage, by French playwright Yasmina Reza, Carnage follows two sets of parents, played by John C. Reilly and Jodie Foster, and Christoph Waltz and Kate Winslet, who meet to discuss a fight between their sons in a civilized manner. But as the day wears on, they become increasingly childish themselves! That’s… well, that’s pretty much it, really (feel free to make your own joke here about the guy creating an idealized vision of youthful innocence being Roman f*cking Polanski). It’s the kind of film that a certain sect of the older generation considers “classic drama,” that they’re going to try to sell to the rest of us, because people just don’t appreciate real stories without robots punchin’ each other anymore, gall durn it! Fair enough, but 12 Angry Men this ain’t. It’s important to make a distinction between a “scathing critique of contemporary society!” and characters obnoxiously bickering about contemporary issues in an unrealistic way.
Capitalist power couple (scarves! pearls!) Christoph Waltz and Kate Winslet have arrived at the home of crunchy urban liberals (sweaters! leather jewelry!) John C. Reilly and Jodie Foster, and, spoiler alert, it turns out they don’t like each other too much! Now, if you’ve ever spent time with people you don’t like, you know that your natural inclination is to, you know, limit the amount of time you have to spend with them. Only the minute Waltz and Winslet actually leave, this movie would be over. Thus, the driving engine of the plot becomes one party getting so offended by something another says that they just have to stay another five minutes to give him what fer. Obviously this isn’t very realistic, but if your bag is listening to people argue extreme opposing positions on parenting, masculinity, nature vs. nurture, crime and punishment, relationships, cell phones, class-action lawsuits, pear cobbler, tort reform, modern art, death, and big pharma, I suppose you might be willing to suspend disbelief and enjoy the obvious plot structure as a kind of wacky farce. For me, seeing Jodie Foster get indignant about Christoph Waltz trivializing the plight of poor Africans just wasn’t much of a draw. I live on the internet. I see people argue stupidly about stupid shit all the time. One of them being John C. Reilly helps, but it doesn’t help that much.
What few plot turns there were not only unrealistic, but trite and predictable. Christoph Waltz is married to his Blackberry, you see, and his wife eventually gets fed up and dunks it in a tulip vase, and if you didn’t see that coming, you haven’t seen a rom-com in the last fifteen years. Even The Proposal had the decency to make the phone destroyer an eagle. Not only that, but when I quizzed my Frotcast co-hosts on what a character in a shitty movie might say right after he gets his Blackberry destroyed, Brendan nailed Christoph Waltz’ line in Carnage, “MY WHOLE LIFE WAS IN THERE!” verbatim, on the first try.
Other than a couple of chuckles and watching great actors chew scenery, I couldn’t understand the appeal of Carnage, and there are a LOT of plays like this. Actors argue about politics all David Mamety back and forth, and 60-year-old women in shawls eat. that. shit. up. I promise you. Then, about 30 minutes into the movie, I noticed a woman of about that age and demographic sitting at the opposite end of my row, who was talking to the screen as if it could hear her, and desperately valued her input. When Christoph Waltz answered his phone for the fifth time, she growled, “Ugh, I wanna kill this guy!” When Kate Winslet told Christoph Waltz, “Enough with the cell phone already, the here and now, god dammit!” She squealed with glee. Throughout, she’d say “Good Lord!” and “Oh!” to the onscreen action, and “Oh yeah, like that’s gonna help!” when John C. Reilly brought out the scotch.
And that’s when I realized. The draw of a movie like Carnage is that it’s basically Maury for middle-aged intellectuals. They get to see the same arguments they constantly have parroted back to them with their favorite glib retorts repeated (“EVERYONE’S ALWAYS ON THEIR DANG PHONES THESE DAYS! DON’T ANYONE TAKE THE TIME TO ENJOY THEIR SURROUNDINGS!?”), and they get to root along with whichever character’s on their side. (“Well I tell you what, Maury, I think that when you got a kid, you got a ponsiBILIty, you know what I’m sayin?”). So, I get it now. I don’t really want to watch it, but I get it.
Grade: D+



“My Dinner with A-Holes” – Ah, the famed but obscure Wallace Shawn rim-job sex tape.
There was planned sequel but the plot was deemed…[deep breath, you can do this...exhale...breath good]…deemed inconceivable.
As a proud member of the 18-49 Demo, this really doesn’t sound very appealing at all. It’s a shame, especially when the marketing for this movie is desperately trying to make it sound like a “hip” art house movie when the reality seems to be that the director made it for the traditional faux-artsy fartsy middle-upper class demo (ie “old people”). It’s a tragedy because I like all of these actors and think there would be a lot of potential if you knew how to make it more relevant.
So what I think I’m really trying to say is Roman Polanski needs learn how to touch the America’s youth again.
just watched this today. Had a couple of okay moments but for the most part it was pretty bad.
Polanski didn’t know that Foster had been in any movie besides Taxi Driver.
“I think that when you got a kid, you got a ponsiBILIty”
Oh but *my* comments are the racist ones.
If JF is hanging out a lot with Roman Polanski and Mel Gibson, the whole lesbian thing makes a lot of sense.
/vests, Lilith Fair music, golf–THAT whole lesbian thing.
Banner pic: “Know what happens to nosy fellas? They have to sniff my funky finger.”
This sounds better as a South Park episode.
The laughs really start rolling when Christoph Waltz starts der humpink-ing everything, starting with John C. Reilly’s drum set.
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Kate Winslet probably dunked the phone in a vase because it had a red bow on it and she was jealous.
Chef’s dad:
Ooh! It must’ve been about seven, eight years ago. Me and the little lady was out on this boat you see, all alone at night, when all of a sudden this huge creature, this giant crustacean from the paleolithic era, comes out of the water
Chef’s mom:
We was so scared, Lord have mercy, I jumped up in the boat and I said “Thomas, what on earth is that creature?!”
Chef’s dad:
It stood above us looking down with these big red eyes…
Chef’s mom:
Oh it was so scary!
Chef’s dad:
And I yelled, I said “What do you want from us monster?!” And the monster bent down and said “I need about treefiddy”
[silence]
Kyle:
What’s treefiddy?
Chef’s dad:
Three dollars and fifty cents
Chef’s mom:
Treefiddy
Stan:
He wanted money?
Chef’s dad:
That’s right. I said “I ain’t giving you no treefiddy you goddam Loch Ness monster! Get your own goddam money!”
Chef’s mom:
I gave him a dollar
Chef’s dad:
She gave him a dollar
I read Alcoholics Gratuitous’ comment and thought that was warranted.
Interesting fact: Roman Polanski gave Christopher Waltz the nickname “Jew Hunter” on this film (because he pounded so much Jew tail during production), and Tarantino, while on a journey with his coke wizard, decided to make The Jew Hunter the villain in “Inglorious Basterds”.
The draw of a movie like Carnage is that it’s basically Maury for middle-aged intellectuals.
As a citizen of a college town, it has been my unfortunate experience to observe that many who would consider themselves “middle-aged intellectuals” are rarely actually “intellectual”. Instead, they are stuffy, self-important, unkempt liberal asswipes that walk around in faux-euro-earth-toned clothing hoping people notice they are carrying a newspaper instead of an iPhone. If you further have the unpleasant misfortune to overhear two of them talking (over two of the most gaudy and gigantic coffee mugs available in the world), you also realize that the only thing these pseudo-intellectual assfucks like hearing more than the sound of their own voice trying to sound informed is to listen to someone equally as reprehensible lauding their comments.
In short, if some old dumbass doesn’t call this movie “car-NAWJ” with a shitty French accent, I will be a Rommie’s uncle.
Fek, for those in that crowd that believe their farts to be extra-sweet, they come to D.C., which makes a redneck in disguise like me want to punch/avoid them and their conversation at all costs. That’s also why I hate almost any conversation about politics from the very first second, which is convenient, since that’s what everyone talks about in D.C.–not the policy issues themselves, mind you; just the soundbite-laden, team-sport shit-talking part.
This movie made me want two hours of my life back. Sadly, RP made me afraid to get any kind of…hot tub time machine.
I actually just watched 12 Angry Men for a class. Afterwards, all I could think is how a movie like that could never be made today. That is, unless they cut back to the night of the crime as the lone nay-sayer dissected the evidence and we saw that he was completely correct and that the murder was actually committed by Megatron after he had a long fist fight and pistol duel with Katherine Heigel.
If you want to see a few arguing people in one room, than The Sunset Limited is much better choice
Yes, yes, yes, does anyone get ass-raped?
Honestly, I’m glad this isn’t good, because I don’t want to put any money in that creepy little pervert’s pocket.
I was going to try to write something snarky but half-way through the process the thought of Dr. Steve Brule being my Father jumped into my head and a debilitating case of the giggles took over so fuck it.
Couldn’t they find any ‘Murricans to play their stereotype of ‘Murricans?
I can’t even snark, I’m just bummed out that this much talent couldn’t even manage a watchable film. I believe the review; this looks AWFUL.
Christoph Waltz, get it together.
I thought “Roman Polanski’s carnage” was what happened to that young girl’s bottom-parts on that photo shoot.
I’m not sure who those oldie goldies who might mistake Carnage for serious drama just because it’s a single set. This is banal dialogue among a cast of uninteresting, solipsistic characters who are about as dramatic as warm tea. Worse, the actors and the director miss an opportunity for true ensemble work here; no one has any chemistry of any kind with anyone else. Christoph Waltz is downright amateurish, and Winslet’s only calling it in. Foster’s single-espression face and her one-note voice had me groaning aloud. The only one who really seems to be in the same movie from beginning to end, in fact, is John C. Riley, and he’s got no one to play with; everyone’s in his/her own isolated sandbox, but not as, say, Albee might have placed them. They’re all just so incredibly stupid. That was the longest short movie I ever sat through, and I only stayed because I was seeing another film in the same theater immediately afterward, and it was too cold to go outside and wait.
So true. Jodie Foster probably came out the worse where all she played was “shrill” and she was so over-the-top and phoney. John C. reilly was the only one who got a couple genuine laughs out of me.
Now, if one were to determine what attribute bottom-left Waltz shares with a beast, it would be the happy-go-lucky demeanor and wall-eyes of a Boston Terrier. But if one were to determine what attributes bottom-MIDDLE Waltz shared with a beast, it would be that of the Basset Hound.
In re: the Poster, Reilly and Waltz look mildly excited/perturbed in the far-right of the emotional spectrum shots, whereas both Foster and Winslet scream in open-mouthed rage, as if this movie drugged and sodomized them. Wimminz be screaming, yo.