
[Update, Monday 12/20: Reposting this for anyone who saw it over the weekend and wants to weigh in about what a dumbass I am in the comments.]
It’s been a long time since I saw a movie and was as excited to rush home and write about it as I was with Tron Legacy. Granted, one of the driving motivations in my life is having legitimate complaints to express, so take that for the backhanded compliment it is. Tron Legacy: thought provoking, but to a greater extent, complaint provoking.
You know the story: Sam Flynn (Garrett Hedlund) is the glib, rebellious heir to a Microsoft-like software company who blows off steam by riding a motorcycle Ducati™ and BASE jumping (seriously, base jumping, like five minutes in). Sam, let’s call him Sarcastic Batman, clashes with the chairman of the board, who, like Steve Jobs, wants his software kept tightly under wraps, whereas Sam thinks information should be free, like baby ducks. That’s the way it was intended by Sam’s father Jeff Bridges, who’s been missing for 20 years. One night after one of Sam’s clever pranks and BASE jumping stunts, Bruce Boxleitner (awesome porn name, btw) shows up at Sam’s Lethal Weapon-esque loner condo — you know the type, in the middle of the city, yet somehow totally isolated with its own boat dock and a motorcycle in the house. Bruce bears a mysterious page from Dad’s old number, which has been disconnected for 20 years. He tosses Sam the keys to Pops’ warehouse and urges him to investigate, which Sam has apparently spent the intervening two decades not doing. Sam heads to the warehouse, the last place his dad was seen, which apparently no one has thought to search after he disappeared. Blah blah blah, Sam gets sucked into the computer. Let’s be honest, none of us really cared about the set up.
Once inside the world of the computer, Sam has to save his Dad, hook up with Olivia Wilde’s character (we’ll call her “The 5th Element”), and light-bike fight bad guys before the portal back to reality closes forever. Credit where credit’s due, it’s a lot better than I expected from a movie that was originally called “Tr2n”.
Yes, the action looks pretty, but movies aren’t graphic design. The pleasant surprise is a story that actually asks some prescient questions — about the nature of reality, the birth of consciousness, what separates natural intelligence from artificial, etc. It doesn’t necessarily ask them well, but that it bothers at all is pleasantly ambitious for a Disney popcorn circle jerk. The Elder Flynn (Jeff Bridges), has a nemesis by the name of Clu (a digitized, younger version of Bridges who looks creepy, but that’s kind of the point), a program he designed in his own image to help him build a “perfect” virtual world. Clu has since gone rogue, taking tight control over the computer world, building an army, and trying to eradicate any threats to his utopia, specifically the isomorphic algorithms, a special type of programs that manifested themselves spontaneously. (There’s also a program called Tron there too, but I’m still not sure what the hell it does.) The parallels between Bridges and his uncanny valley computer foil are cleverly done, and the idea of new beings spontaneously manifesting themselves from a man-made “world” takes the usual sci-fi biblical allegory to a fairly interesting place. Spark of life, primordial soup, ideas as self-propagating — I can dig it, maaan. (*bong load*)
The interesting ideas are mostly dead ends. And as for the action, there’s the problem of subtext. By which I mean, all the characters in this world are man-made creations of Jeff Bridges — computer programs — right? They evolved differently than humans, they have different drives (regular humans’ overriding drive being food and sex), and different organizing principles, right? And yet, much like The Matrix Reloaded, the computer programs behave mostly just like humans in fancy costumes. I know it’s easier if they all just act like horny weirdos (Transformers 2 took this principle to its logical conclusion with the idea of robot heaven and a dog bot humping Megan Fox’s leg), but aren’t they still computer programs? How might computerized entities act differently than organic life? Without trying to answer that, it becomes less an exploration of the idea than it is a lifting from previous sci fi. Like, why does the underlying nature of reality always look like a gay euro rave disco? “So, like, they’re sub-atomic particles personified, so naturally everyone’s standing around wearing tight leather and listening to Daft Punk…”
It’s the same with the fight sequences. When you take the time to create a whole new world where the normal rules of reality don’t apply, why does the conflict always end up being settled through elaborate kung fu? If digitized Sam is good at “fighting” inside the binary computer environment, what is the subtext of that? In the movie, we’re basically to believe that digitized Sam is good at light bike fighting because flesh-and-blood Sam rides a motorcyle. Really, that‘s your f*cking answer?
Slight digression: The other way they fight in Tron world is that they all have these little discs that they throw at each other, which bounce off things and occasionally break sh*t at random like a pong ball, and if they hit another person/program, it makes them “derezz”, dissolving into a billion little bits and then disappearing into nothingness (pretty cool, to be fair). You get these discs upon entering Tron World, and they’re like your hard drive, containing the sum of your memories and all of the things that make you you. …Do you see what I’m getting at here? Is it not a little weird to fight by basically throwing your brains at each other? “Here, here’s your disk that contains all of your accumulated knowledge and personality. Be very careful with it, because without it you are useless. Also, if you see a bad guy, immediately huck it at his face like a sh*t-filled snowball, because f*ck that guy.”
And if everything’s to be settled by disc-throwing, why not have a back story in which flesh-and-blood Sam is the Chico State Ultimate Frisbee champion before he’s digitized? Perfect back story! THIS IS THE ONE THE ORACLE PROPHESIED! THE COMPUTER PROGRAMS ARE NO MATCH FOR HIM! HE’S JUST TOO GOOD AT FRISBEE!
In the midst of the half-baked allegory is Jeff Bridges essentially playing The Dude. Every five minutes Flynn’s spouting a new Dude-ism, and as much as I love The Dude, it adds nothing to the story besides confusion. It feels like it comes from the P Diddy school of sampling, where you just take an existing work and add a few “yeahs” and “c’mons” and hope reminding people of something they already like is enough.
Anyway, the story eventually paints itself into a corner and gets resolved by a totally unprompted reversal from a character who was barely in the movie before then, but by that point you’ve stopped expecting too much coherence or logic. After all, this is a movie that expects us to buy blond, blue-eyed Hitler youth Garrett Hedlund and the little Greek-looking kid playing young Sam Flynn as the same person.

Separated at birth?
GRADE: C+



but Olivia Wilde is hot right?
Wait, does he really bone the sexy computer program?
How very Japanese.
He’s good at computer boning ’cause he’s a champion fleshlighter.
Is the dude who played old Sam related in any way to Donald Trump’s hair?
It’s weird. This review is just like watching the original Tron on TV. I reached the first break and then stopped paying attention.
Here’s a much more believable Young Sam/Ol’ Man Sam casting choice.
(go on, click it)
Please tell me I wasn’t the only one that thought the phrase “bong load” wasn’t funny.
*was funny. What the hell is wrong with me?
God damn you Vincent! You fuckin’ asshole! Everything’s a fuckin’ travesty with you, man! And what was all that shit about self-propagating? What the FUCK has anything got to do with self-propagating? What the fuck are you talking about?
Fuck this review, dude. Let’s go bowling.
The Mighty Feklahr summarizes Lince’s review: Just remember baktags, you can’t polish a turd, but you can shape it into a disc, freeze it, and huck it at digital people to kill them.
Tron, I am disappoint.
Too much like the dude? I’ve read that a few times in different reviews, but you know, I mean….HE’S A VIDEO GAME DESIGNER! What were you expecting? Just saw a screening of it, I thought it was a lot of fun. Fight scenes were cool, Bridges was awesome, Michael Sheen has a great bit part, and the effects were impressive. It’s a Tron movie, check LOGIC at the door and enjoy the ride dumb-ass.
VINCE!!! You didn’t mention Michael Sheen’s bit part in your review, butt-munch!
*books ticket to the next available screening*
I know a lot of video game designers, and none act like Bridges character. You deny that they made him very Dude-like? It was distracting. And sorry, I’m always going to prefer a story that tracks logically to one that… you know… doesn’t. I didn’t say it was terrible. It’s fine if you want to check your brain at the door, but that’s not the kind of movie the movie would have you believe they were trying to make.
Aryans … that’s what you get when you cast people from northern Minnesota.
Is it true that Olivia Wilde’s character lived in an apartment building called “Folder”?
What a fuckin’ surprise, TR2N sucked.
Seriously though, if you wanna know what the subtext of all this is, you need to turn off your pop-up blocker.
Michael Sheen? Isn’t that Emilio Estevez’s birth name?
Let me tell you something, pendejo. You pull any of your crazy shit with us, you flash a disk out on the lanes, I’ll take it away from you, stick it up your ass and pull the fucking trigger ’til it goes “click.”
No way bra. No way bra. It’s like no way bra Inception was fuckin awesome bra ya know. “frot” lol blow me
Tell me, would those “designers” be good reference for the character Bridge was “supposed” to play…or…would they have been dull. I don’t know about you but I remember Bridges being pretty out there in the original as well. It was fun movie, visually stunning, and most of it’s flaws are due to the fact that it is built for a sequel. I wasn’t board often and the visual displays kept me entertained. Was I the only one there who wasn’t there expecting to be blown away by plot? It was about as plot savvy as Predator…and I love Predator. You just have to go into the movie with the right mind set of being taken in for the ride. Yes, dialogue was horrendous in parts…like I can’t believe some of those lines made it off the script page. However, they didn’t ruin the movie for me. BTW I though it was funny that Bridges finished most of Hedlund’s lines. Anyway, I’d sit through 40 Trons before seeing Yogi Bear or How Do You Know.
I love Predator too. But for one thing, Predator never offers any allegorical pretensions or tries to be anything other than a shoot-em-up. For another, it’s set in the real world with flesh-and-blood people, not digitized versions of people, so when someone gets blown the fuck up onscreen, you don’t have to wonder whether they got blown the fuck up in real life or not. In the Tron world, everyone’s like a video game avatar of themselves. It’d be nice to know what the fuck that meant.
It wasn’t that Bridges was dull or not dull, it just felt like his main note from the director was “act like The Dude!” If this movie had more to say, they could’ve created a more unique character for him. Which they didn’t.
The visuals were pretty most of the time, but a lot of it was light bikes zooming around an Escher painting. It’s scarier and more exciting if you feel the consequences of a crash, no? Like when a bike comes up to a cliff’s edge? At least Avatar gave me a real fear of heights and falling during the flying scenes. Tron never had quite that visceral edge to the action.
Also, your objection to my C+ review is that it’s better than Yogi Fucking Bear?
Not surprised that Dudeisms occur. When Bridges was in Iron Man, I seriously expected to hear “…man” at the end of every utterance just from the cadence and tone of his voice.
Logic….Tron….does not compute. You’re talking about a guy who gets sucked into a world of computers. Logic stops at that very moment. Movies allow you to defy logic which is what makes them interesting in the first place. You ever notice that Spock was most interesting when he defied logic? You were complaining that he rode a motorcycle in the beginning, that is SO ticky tack. Or how about he knew how to play because his dad created games based on the world of the grid and he’d been playing then since he was a kid? This was not the worst movie ever and it wasn’t the best. You can say as many good things about it as you can bad things. You complain about exposition, but what is a movie without it? As a whole, the movie ranges C+/B- as a whole. Acting, Plot, VFX, Soundtrack, action set pieces. If you want, I can have my buddy who was the FX supervisor on it render out 2 hours of light jet/bike battles for you. No plot, just vroom crash boom!
Ha, we’re internet battling. I also think that Bridges is like that all the time now. You see his tribute to John Lennon? Also, could it be that he’s been banished in a digital wasteland for 20 years and he’s gone nuts? IDK, you could debate it each way. I also didn’t see the official C+ rating in your review. It was a C+ and Michael Sheen made it a B-.
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Don’t give me that fiction-is-logic-free bullshit. If that was true, why bother with story or characters at all? Even the wildest story has a logic, a logic that it establishes for itself. It’s not so much logic as it is consistency. Oh, all of a sudden William Wallace can shoot actual fireballs out of his ass two hours into a movie? That seems odd.
I’m not COMPLAINING that he rode a motorcycle, I’m complaining about there being no rhyme or reason for why digital Sam can out fight a computer program. That he rode a motorcycle seemed to be the only thing they offered. In the Matrix, Neo was supposed to be some genius coder who, once he understood the matrix was a computer program, could understand the code coming at him faster than the agents could. It just gives the digital world an underpinning so you understand the gravity of what you’re watching and it’s not just someone else playing a videogame. And while we’re on the subject of motorcycles, the rebel/loner character who rides a motorcycle is one of the most fucked-out lame cliches in all of cinema. See also: Twilight.
Vroom crash boom is nice for 10 or 15 minutes, but it doesn’t sustain a two-hour movie. If you just want that, why even go to the movies? And like I said, the vroom crash boom here lacked gravity. Not just story gravity, but spacial gravity. What happens when people fall? Which direction do they fall? It’s not even about logic, it’s about there being consequences so you actually experience things viscerally instead of being at arm’s length.
I agree that this was not the best movie nor was it the worst. Great idea, I’ll just write that next time.
As for Bridges, if he can muster a Larry Flynt impression in True Grit, he could try a not-the-dude impression in Tron.
Michael Sheen to me was like Johnny Depp in Pirates. Cute if you just cut that part out of the movie, but was kind of over the top and not really in a way that benefitted the story. Also, he seemed like basically a rip-off of The Merovingian. Oh sweet, another flamboyantly gay computer program? I don’t get it. It was just another “oh look, here’s a thing we thought looked cool in another movie” moment.
“As for Bridges, if he can muster a Larry Flynt impression in True Grit, he could try a not-the-dude impression in Tron.”
Sir. Do you remember the original Tron? The character of Kevin Flynn DID talked like that. Flynn was in many ways a proto-Dude. Legacy feels very true, a continuity of Flynn’s persona. Not to mention the fact that he’s been pretty much on his own with only Quorra to interact with for 200 years; go crazy or go zen. There is no conflict, just evolution.
As for your argument about digital Sam being able to fight programs, *raise eyebrow*. This generation is the most game infused one in human history. From video games on cell phones to stand alone consoles (portable and boxed) to computer based gaming. This should not be nitpicked. We know that Sam’s an athlete from his Encom stunt. Gaming is in his blood… hell he’s a Flynn!
I did not have a problem with Castor, his character is an entertainer. Programs in that universe have a hard life, people are getting derezzed all the time – every day with the so-called police force doing the killing. They want diversion. Recall all those who attended the arena. People want something to take their minds off their fear. Castor fills that bill. Here’s something so over the top it funny. Laugh, ’cause tomorrow you may die.
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I loved the film. When I left the theater (saw it 2D) what popped in my mind is that Legacy is this generation’s Star Trek: The Motion Picture. I meant that not as a disparaging comment. I know. Some really, really hate that first film entry. I’m not among them. Had the misfortune not to see it on the big screen, my first exposure to it was on home video.
I was in awe. It’s magical. A holy shit moment prologued to 132 minutes. Man, it’s been a LONG time since I felt that way. I did not feel like that when I saw Avatar. I just got mad watching that. It’s a year later, I’m still pissed (but that’s another rant).
I was all smiles and big ass grins watching Tron Legacy. I hope this does well enough at the box office to receive a sequel. The ending does leave a few question unanswered. The big one being – where did Clu expect this army to materialize? There was a site B, I’m sure of it. Probably in contact with someone in our world… that beeper. How cool would it be to learn that, that fellow is none other than Ed Dillinger?
Think about it. Taking the release year as date, 1982, Dillinger would’ve been convicted of corporate fraud (I’m not just talking about the theift of Kevin’s video games, but whole other software). He is probably guilty of embezzling too… among other things.
Dillinger would’ve been sent to prison for about fifteen years, coming out of the joint sometime in 1998 – broke and a pariah. A bitter man. Who better to work with or be played by Clu? The man would want revenge. Just sayin’. As for his son in Legacy, Edward – easy, conjugal visits.
By the way, how many of you jizzed in your pants when you saw Gem walk into the bar? God damn, that ass is sweet!
so you two are arguing over whether it was a C+ or a B-?
I fucking love the internet.
@donk
what a coincidence as I will be doing something similar with one of my professors on Monday.
The amount of pants being worn should also be similar, beksex
Donkey Hodey, I would call the film an A-. I was awed and entertainment. Most sway.
This is my Avatar. This is place I would like to live; grow old very slowly, never get sick and be surrounded by hot girls – who glow (I suspect their nipples too). What’s not to like?
Twon is probably very happy to be graded on the same curve as Twilight and Avatar.
As would Ernest Saves Christmas be.
Things that are pretty-but-dumb getting A-minuses is what I hated about high school.
Sir. Do you remember the original Tron? The character of Kevin Flynn DID talked like that. Flynn was in many ways a proto-Dude. Legacy feels very true, a continuity of Flynn’s persona. Not to mention the fact that he’s been pretty much on his own with only Quorra to interact with for 200 years; go crazy or go zen. There is no conflict, just evolution.
We’ll have to agree to disagree on the original Tron being subject for comparison as the pinnacle of artistic achievement. I just found it distracting to be constantly thinking of the dude when Flynn was talking and it took me out of the story.
As for your argument about digital Sam being able to fight programs, *raise eyebrow*. This generation is the most game infused one in human history. From video games on cell phones to stand alone consoles (portable and boxed) to computer based gaming. This should not be nitpicked. We know that Sam’s an athlete from his Encom stunt. Gaming is in his blood… hell he’s a Flynn!
Well then perhaps they could’ve showed him playing a video game once during the entire movie. From what I saw, he seemed more into outdoorsy stuff like motorcycles and BASE jumping. You’re telling a story the movie didn’t.
I did not have a problem with Castor, his character is an entertainer. Programs in that universe have a hard life, people are getting derezzed all the time – every day with the so-called police force doing the killing. They want diversion. Recall all those who attended the arena. People want something to take their minds off their fear. Castor fills that bill. Here’s something so over the top it funny. Laugh, ’cause tomorrow you may die.
Yes, people want those things. People need diversion. People like to laugh. PEOPLE. These were supposed to be computer programs.
“We’ll have to agree to disagree on the original Tron being subject for comparison as the pinnacle of artistic achievement.”
Nah. The first film was… good. Not great. I enjoyed it, but its not in the same league as Blade Runner. It’s an escapist flick nothing more.
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“Well then perhaps they could’ve showed him playing a video game once during the entire movie. From what I saw, he seemed more into outdoorsy stuff like motorcycles and BASE jumping. You’re telling a story the movie didn’t.”
The kid was raised (up until Kevin got imprisoned) by a father owned an arcade.
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“Yes, people want those things. People need diversion. People like to laugh. PEOPLE. These were supposed to be computer programs.”
Correct. Computer programs that behave like people. The need to eat, drink, work and leisure. Plus they have emotions (limited, maybe), the programs that showed fear when being told theie fate… playing at the arena – ceratin death.
I’m waiting until Vince posts his Yogi Bear review to comment on how much of a dumbass he is
Look – Johnlan and the d – if you want to watch a movie with your brains turned off, be our guest. Also, be sure to get your ribbon for joining the majority of American moviegoers.
BUT when someone, namely the author of this site, demands more from a movie than “go with it, I want entertainment”, butt the fuck out. Shut up. At that point, you are arguing about nothing more than your right to have low standards.
If that’s the case, you’re an idiot. It’s like arguing for the right to have an ugly, fat girlfriend with nice nails. Yeah, her nails are pretty but that doesn’t make her pretty over-all. Yes, you might be attracted to her but that doesn’t make her attractive overall. Tron is your fat and ugly girlfriend with nice nails. You can enjoy her all you want but please understand that those of us with more universally attractive girlfriends or a predisposition to enjoy Logical, well-paced, movies dont have to. So, please, stay away and let us rip this rave-choke-bate-fest for its flaws.
I did read an interview over the weekend where Bridges said he reviewed his performance in the original and tried to imagine how that guy would age.
Also remember that the box office results for this movie just have to do fair. The soundtrack is in the top 10 in sales, toys are going to be sold out the ass, Blu-Ray, long x-mas weekend coming up. So I guess what I am saying is that a sequel is on it’s way for sure. If they get to tie those touched story points together, maybe it makes more sense as a whole. This almost fellt like Harry Potter 7 pt 1, but at least there was some action.
Speaking of sequels, Cars was a piece of shit movie and they’re making a sequel based on the fact that it’s the most lucrative toy franchise Disney/Pixar has…and just when you thought Pixar was the land of golden sunshine when it came to the film business. Even they are susceptible to the executive fear that plagues all major studios.
The fact is, Tron was probably humped to death by a team of executives and until the story was spoon dull (hit that 14 YO Male Demo!). I set my bar way low for any and all major studio releases. Avatar was Dances with Wolves but it was so pretty, and had so many stars attached to it, that it got an oscar nomination for best picture! If it’s based purely on story…then wtf was Avatar doing there?
As far as I see it, Tron basically had the same type of cast as a Transformers but held my attention much better because it was sold better as a whole. The look, the music, Olivia Wilde is hot and he she can deliver lines without me wanting to gag her with a c..sock (Looking at you Fox.)
I guess what I am getting as is this. Out of all the big blockbusters to come out over the last few years, TF 1 & 2, Wolverine, Indiana Jones, Terminator Salvation, and GI Joe, etc… Tron is by far more entertaining and doesn’t ruin any childhood memories because the original is just as average.
The way studios are run these days you can’t expect anything more. As much as we bitch and moan, Major Studios are all full of assholes who don’t know shit about film…but they know how to make money.
You want great movies…independent is the way to go. Guys like the Coens, Nolan, Boyle, Aronofsky, and others who can write their own tickets and not be bothered.
Bright side is that studios are making less and less of their own films. They are only putting money into a few features a year and just buying up independent productions who have funded themselves and just need distribution.
So yea, Tron being a C+/B- is about as good as it is going to get out of a major studio these days. And it is a shame that they seemed to have a pretty good outline for what they wanted to do…they would just never be able to accomplish that with executives standing in the way.
Couldn’t agree more about the film dipping its toe into the waters of subjects of creationism and the purpose of life and then totally bitching out because the water was too fucking hot and running back to the bathtub of explosions and neon lights.
Liked the film, but it really could have done a lot more if it had bothered to address things like the free-will of supposed “programs,” which you would normally believe were created with a specific purpose.
And Sam Flynn shouldn’t have played ultimate frisbee. He should’ve been a world-class martial artist to do the shit he does during the Disc Wars segment.
The only way I’d see this film is if the secret to escaping the digital world was to perform Konami code cunnilingus on Olivia Wilde.
I fucking loved How Do You Know.
I saw Tron Legacy and I think Vince was being too generous. I’ve never been a big fan of the original Tron (which, despite having a cool aesthetic, is pretty awful as a movie). But I saw this one anyway just because I thought it would be fun 3D eye candy set to Daft Punk music for 2 hours. It didn’t even satisfy on that level, though. At least the first one was kind of fun in a campy way, but this one was really self-serious and ended up being really boring. I’d give it a D+.
Plus, whoever thinks that this will have a sequel is smoking something. Films that cost 200+ million, yet open to 40 million usually don’t have sequels–even despite the soundtrack sales (which are way down now anyway. Who buys albums anymore?). This will be lucky to do 100 million domestic. Disney was betting (for some strange reason) that a 30 year old film which most people have forgotten (save a small cadre of aging nerds) would do huge business, but it’s not going to happen.
Is it fucking sock puppet day today or what?
Yes, you can enjoy the movie if you unplug your brain first. Then again, then you can probably enjoy fucking a dead skunk by doing the same. That doesn’t make “Dead Skunk Fucking” worth an A-.
Am I the only one who wishes they would have done more with the actual fucking Tron character? Oh here’s a major character that we’re just going to ignore but who will serve a purpose for five seconds towards the end….. He was a reformatted program ….. who then suddenly gained free will or WTF man? The son came in, saw some stuff and then left….. I had no connection with any of them because nothing was developed. Entertaining yes….. But so is a donkey show in tijuana but at least there the actors don’t claim that base jumping is a useful skill.
Yeah, he was completely non-existent until the entire plot had to hinge on him.
Okay ‘Umm….’ I’ll roll with it.
Tron Legacy isn’t a fat girl with nice nails. No. No sir. She’s the very pretty girl next door who happens to be your best bud. You have fun together and have very similar passions. She’s the gal would make a great wife. There are other girls out there MUCH hotter than her, but she’s your little slice of heaven… that happens to have glowing neon blue nipples.
She’s my Virginie Ledoyen to your Bar Refaeli. *nods*
“Who buys albums anymore?”
Seriously? MILLIONS of fucking people. People might not buy albums on giant pieces of vinyl or little discs anymore, but they still buy albums.