
This is part 2 of FilmDrunk’s interview with Allan Weisbecker. Check out part 1 here.
“There are a half dozen at least that would like to either sue me, or see me dead. As far as my effect on them goes, it’s too early to say. Depends on how well the book does. “
FD: Speaking of jeopardy, in CYGAWA you “out” a person against whom you make a very persuasive case as being a murderer, and (in the book) were at many times on the run in fear for your life. Where is this person now, and how worried are you about him and others whose criminal enterprises you discuss in the book?
AW: You refer to the double murder I investigated in Costa Rica back in 1998, for Men’s Journal magazine, which in the book I expand into a backstory section. I don’t want to give too much away on this through-line because the book’s ending hinges on it – how the investigation came back in 2005 to bite me on the ass in a way I could not have made up — but I will say that I feel reasonably safe outside of Costa Rica. The murderer is extremely well connected there, but not so in the States. In terms of my life being in danger, there are other people from the book that – if I were inclined to worry about being assassinated – I would worry about more.
FD: Did you consider changing names to avoid retribution, legal or otherwise, from the people you write about?
AW: Never once crossed my mind. Over the last few years, the memoir genre has (deservedly) been discredited: the James Frey/Million Little Pieces shit storm, characters from Running With Scissors surfacing to cry “crapola!”; even the formerly sacrosanct Pulitzer Prize winner, Frank McCourt, has come under fire for bullshitting in his memoirs. Joyce Carol Oates was on Book TV saying that Angela’s Ashes is in the fiction section of bookstores in Limerick, Ireland. Ms. Oates must’ve been really sure that McCourt lied, and pissed off about it, to say that publicly.
My observation regarding prize winning nonfiction is that the bigger the lies, the bigger the prize. Case in point is Lawrence Wright’s Looming Tower, the supposed history of Al Qaeda and the “road to 9/11,” and which won the Pulitzer for general nonfiction (in 2006). Almost as big a crock of nonfiction shit as the 9/11 Commission Report.
And the movie United 93 — supposedly an accurate dramatization of that flight’s involvement in the attacks — gets nominated for Best Picture (plus Best Director).
FD: What was the problem with United 93?
AW: Don’t get me started, but one example: have you ever tried to make a cell phone call from a commercial airliner at above a thousand feet, let alone at cruising altitude? Can’t be done. Impossible. Yet they have multiple calls going through, no problem.
FD: The cell phone calls were in the 9/11 Commission Report…
AW: You might want to ponder the implications of that, and of The 9/11 Report getting short listed for the National Book Award for “nonfiction.”
It’s relentless, the bullshit.
FD: In CYGAWA you have some problems with dishonesty in your personal life.
AW: Goddamn, I love understatements like that. Yes, I had some problems with dishonesty in my personal life. Fell in love with a sociopathic female. The “love of my life” through-line is the real story of my memoir.
Plus denial. If I had to pick a sentence from the book that sums it up, plus why the world is so fucked up – which is what the book is really about — it would be this one: “Notwithstanding evidence to the contrary, people believe whatever makes them feel most comfortable about themselves.”
Denial is behind the sorry ass condition of the world we live in.
FD: You created a website as an adjunct to CYGAWA.
AW: Documents and emails and depositions and newspaper articles and you-name-it backing up basically everything I write about, in my personal life and in the conflation of that with world affairs; even minor details. A massive undertaking. Wordage-wise, the website is as long as the book. I don’t expect anyone to plow through the whole thing, but thoughtful readers should perceive the book in a unique way, knowing the stuff is there if they care to dig. Plus, the material will give pause to anyone thinking of suing me for libel, since truth is the ultimate defense.
FD: How do you feel about that – do you think there are a lot of people from the book who’d like to sue you? How much effect do you think you had on them?
AW: There are a half dozen at least that would like to either sue me, or see me dead. As far as my effect on them goes, it’s too early to say. Depends on how well the book does.
During the writing of the book I had sort of an epiphany about “nonfiction,” what it is, or isn’t, and ponder (in the book) the responsibilities of a writer writing about real and especially living people, and so forth. As part of this, I own up to the nonfiction deceits I use in my first memoir, In Search of Captain Zero, and how something I wrote — a misunderstanding (as opposed to a lie) — screwed up a guy’s life. I do some purging…
FD: In the book you say that “Sometimes lying about facts is okay, sometimes not.” Explain.
AW: First, I have no patience with euphemisms like “taking liberties” or “artistic license.” You knowingly write an untruth, you’re lying.
FD: “Lying like a slug” is how you put it.
AW: There are a lot of fine lines here, but lying in nonfiction is sometimes okay when the writer’s sole motive is to keep the story moving (momentum) foster unity (symmetry), or to ease the narrative onto another subject (a segue), with no deceitful implications about how the world works. Deceit about how the world works is usually done in subtext, and is a sin, for the commission of which writers will rot in Writer Hell.
FD: You single out Bob Woodward as a writer who is going to rot in Writer Hell.
AW: Woodward is a good example because of the effects and implications of his books. For example, Woodward ends Veil; The Secret Wars of the CIA with a scene that is a lie in every way you can lie in nonfiction. He makes up a complete crock of shit wherein he visits CIA Director William Casey on his death bed and gets Casey to admit that he, Casey, knew about the diversion of funds to the Contras during the Iran-Contra scandal. The subtext here is that Casey didn’t have anything to do with the diversion of funds: he knew about it. Well, as Woodward well knew, Casey knew about the diversion because he was instrumental in the planning of it, and the cover up. Woodward himself was hence a key player in the cover up, since he publicly lied (in subtext) about how Casey knew. I devote a chapter to Woodward’s lies by omission and outright lies and the rewriting and erasure of history in his nonfiction books.
FD: Why would Woodward lie in his books?
AW: Woodward has sold his nonfiction writer’s soul for access to the shitball motherfuckers who run this sorry ass world. He gets access because he backs up their lies. He’ll rot in Writer Hell, though.
FD: You claim that “Orwell was an optimist.”
AW: It’s an observation, not a claim. Sticking with Woodward, in Plan of Attack – the supposed definitive history of our conflict with Saddam Hussein – Woodward does a history of U.S. relations with “The Beast of Baghdad.” Problem is he skips from the 1970s to the 1990s, leaving out the 1980s. Not a word about the decade of the 1980s: The decade during which the U.S. and The Beast of Baghdad were close allies and the U.S., under Reagan then Bush I, was actively and knowingly aiding and abetting The Beast in his crimes against humanity, even sending him poison gas components and helicopters to commit genocide on his own people and those of Iran. This is a matter of public record – you can google and verify it; corporate and government documents and so forth.
If the rewriting (or erasing) of history sounds vaguely familiar, this was the protagonist Winston Smith’s job at the Ministry of Truth in Orwell’s 1984. Smith, along with the rest of the world of that story, was intimidated, threatened, bullied, into denial/lying via “jackboots on human faces.” That the jackboots are unnecessary in the real world of today to get Woodward and the rest of the mainstream media to rewrite history is the basis of my observation that Orwell was an optimist.
FD: How’s the book doing?
AW: Great. It’s only been in print for six weeks and already has more than 100 Reader Reviews, all but four being 5 stars. And even the four 4-star reviews sound like 5. [Ed Note: Here's Allan's favorite] Folks saying the book changed their lives or their ways of looking at life. This is the word of mouth on the book. More important for me, this (plus the hundreds of emails and letters I’ve gotten) means I’ve successfully communicated with a lot of people. Which is important to me since the book almost killed me to write. Three times.
FD: If you told us what those were, would it ruin the book?
AW: The “love of my life” was involved, directly or indirectly, each time.
FD: By the way, where did the title come from?
AW: “Can’t you get along with anyone?” was the body of the email my ICM agent sent me in response to my firing her.
FD: You also fired your book agent.
AW: Plus my hollywood attorney. I fired everybody. In fact, you’re fired.
FD: I don’t work for you.
AW: Oh. Okay.
CONTINUE TO PART 3, WHY THINGS IN HOLLYWOOD ARE… FISHY
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ummm, hello? is this a separate post or part of part 1? where will my comments show up? i am so confused.
its part of the same post, lance was busy this weekend
When United 93 crashed, I was like "Yeah, we just shot that thing down". And it would be justifyable to do so. Anyone agree?
Something tells me that my unique brand of snarky humor would be wasted here.
I’ll be finishing the rest of this later tonight, but it’s great so far. Why if I were ethnic, you might even say that "I’m lovin’ it!"
Jesus, this is good stuff. That Woodward whore should just go away.
I added a Digg link to the first post of this story (at the top of the site right now) – I encourage all of you to Digg it. Don’t worry about attracting commenters with nothing interesting to say; I’ll keep them on a short leash.
I tend to take ex drug dealer Hollywood ingrained types with a small grain of salt. Entertaining reading at the least. I’ll digg it only to get you some traffic Lance.
The guy’s a kook, no doubt about it. I bet if you plumbed the depths you’d find he’s a typical ‘government did 911′ type nut.
Probably innocently, though. Some people just fall into that shit because of the way the ‘information’ is presented to them and they don’t think very deeply when considering it.
Not that it matters much for the stuff written long ago. I’ll get In Search of Captain Zero (and I’m sure I’ll love it), but would be suspicious of any newer stuff he’s got.
catch me’s comment about me being a ‘typical government did 9/11 type nut’ is another example of Orwell’s optimism. notice he doesn’t take issue with the impossibility of making cell phone calls from a jet at cruising altitude.
this jerk has the balls to say i don’t think very deeply when considering information.
christ.
it truly is relentless, the bullshit.
where do you get guys like this, lance?
allan
Jack! I totally assumed you guys shot the plane down. But I was raised on 3 pieces of wisdom from my mother:
1) Don’t worry, in 100 years we’ll all be dead.
2) Rain symbolyzes death.
3) We aren’t joiners.
They weren’t flying at cruising altitude, they were fucking around at 12,000 odd feet AGL, thats under two miles, well with in cell tower range. Even 30,000 is within GSM tower range, I text on planes and talk when the sky waitress’ are busy all the time. Asas.
9/11 conspiracy nuts = uninformed ass bags
crapbasket: you’re mistaken or more likely lying. you don’t use your cell phone at altitude. period. i’ve got $10,000 i’ll bet you. we put the money in escrow, i’ll pay for the tickets and we fly somewhere. you have to get one call thru at cruising altitude, to lance, say, who is holding the money. 10k. yes or no?
lance, that sound okay to you?
allan
hey, crapbasket, i’m starting to realize where your alias came from. 10k, yes or no, motherfucker?
christ am i tired of denial-ridden assholes like you. say yes to my wager or stay off this blog.
and catch me: same for you. put up or shut up: you must feel the same way, right? i’m a kook and a nutcase, right? well, if you can’t make a cell phone call from 30,000 feet, who’s the kook and nutcase? you, asshole. anybody see the logic here? no? here it is: if you can’t make a cell phone call from 30,000, then yes, cheney/bush did it.
10k.
lance, let’s get serious here. let’s see if any of these guys are serious about their shit. will you hold the money in escrow?
allan
allan
Joyce Carol Oates is a very good author (gold star!). I like Foxfire. It was made into a shit movie staring Jolie. Solstice was excellent as well. I like when I get to talk about books on a movie blog. Whenever I talk about poetry, Lance gets upset, so I stuck to fiction this time. But just you wait Lance…
Allan, settle down. People might start thinking yer crazy.
By the way, I started reading your Cosmic Banditos screen play and I am liking it. Hopefully my kids come through and buy me one of your books for Christmas.
settle down? my job is not to settle down. my job is to challenge bullshit.
crazy? maybe i am crazy, but i point out an inarguable lie we’ve been told, one with consequences that could end civilization or even human existence on the planet and i’m called a nutcase, a kook, an uninformed gas bag.
i say denial is at the bottom of the sorry state of this world and i offer to back that up: i am dead serious. i challenge any of you, not just the profoundly silent crapbasket or catch me (who is trying to misdirect with a comment about my screenplay): lance holds the 10k from each of us and we fly somewhere. if you can call him on your cell phone at, say, 12,000 feet or above, you get the money. if not, i get the money. (the 10k i win will go to the 9/11 truth movement.)
you all do understand something: if it’s not possible to make cell phone calls from cruising altitude in a commercial jetliner, it means all those recorded calls from flight 93 were faked, including the ‘let’s roll’ one.
you do understand that, right?
‘when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
’9/11 conspiracy nut, kook, uninformed gas bag.’
okay.
Ten grand.
any takers?
allan
I don’t know what escrow is, but I’m all for holding money.
catch me (who is trying to misdirect with a comment about my screenplay)
I’m not trying to misdirect, that implies I care enough about this 911 ‘truth’ bullshit to want to misdirect.
What I was trying to do was tell you that even though I think you are a 911 nutter I will still check out your writing, as it doesn’t relate to the 911 topic. You see? Even though I disagree with you in one area I will pay attention in another area where I think you have merit (your writing).
I would like you to give the 10 G’s to Lance. Once he has the money I will contact you to arrange the cell-phone test. (Lance, we split the dough if this works)
Sorry to be particular:
is your cell phone 2001 teachnology?
btw: as of tomorrow i’ll be in mexico and incommunicado. my ensuing silence should not be misinterpreted. i do need to know before then if catch me, crapbasket, or anyone else wants to give up 10k.
allan
The ‘a’ is for tax purposes.
Please don’t bring up taxes. I’m afraid Allan might tell us we actually don’t owe taxes (Show Me The Law!!! LOL).
Let’s try to steer this back to drunken filmology, there are plenty of other forums available to kick around kooks.
Taxes and death:
Thoreau went to prison for tax evasion. But so did Capone and Mickey Cohen. Hmmm. I’m Canadian though, so I like taxes as long as we get responsible healthcare and retirement funds, etc. I’m so confused.
As for death. I don’t believe in it. I call it the great unremembering. Since I will never remember being dead, I’ll never be dead. Tah-dah!
Thoreau spent some time in the jug because he wouldn’t pay a certain tax (I forget which one). When a family member or friend paid it for him, he was released.
I wonder if he paid the friend back or if his ‘principles’ wouldn’t allow that. Maybe he was the first tax-protestor nut, he certainly fits the mold of allowing others to pay his way for him while he sits on his ass talking about principles.
LOL! Bait, bait, bait.
Shit. Okay, that’s it, no more talk of 911 or taxes from me on this blog.
"my ensuing silence should not be misinterpreted". It won’t. Appreciated, maybe.
Want to know my favourite kooks (not that I agree Alan is one, or that I think that kooks aren’t necessary):
William Lyon Mackenzie
The Fenians who tried to hold Canada hostage to free Ireland (nearly worked)
Robert Duncan
Joan of Arc
and many many more.
Although, I will misspell his name.
Everyone thinks they know an egomaniac, don’t they? You might pin the label on an unbelievably arrogant friend or a tyrannical boss. But to be a true egomaniac – that is, to be diagnosed with what psychiatrists call Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) – you must show at least five of the following characteristics:
Where might you find an egomaniac? Well it won’t be doing charity work… They have no regard for other people and resent any weakness or vulnerability in others. They feel no need to take responsibility for their actions and won’t accept being challenged or criticised. The ultimate egomaniac is the cult leader. They get to be at the centre of a group of adoring followers, giving them the god-like status they think they deserve.
It’s thought there are around six million people across the world with NPD. There could be many more, but it’s difficult to diagnose. Most people affected won’t present their symptoms to the doctor; they simply don’t believe there’s anything wrong with them, rather that other people are the cause of any problems.
Someone’s personality is part of their psychological make up and impossible to change, making personality disorders like NPD difficult to treat. What therapists can do is help to control the traits of NPD and concentrate on changing behaviour. It can take years of therapy to make a difference.
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Dor sho gha! Why did He underline a few selected "symptoms"? Looks like at least five to Him. It is laughable and pathetic at the same time that such an "esteemed" mind would come on here and try to browbeat a crowd that make dead hooker jokes.
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Define grandiose and excessive.
grandiose: "i point out an inarguable lie we’ve been told, one with consequences that could end civilization or even human existence on the planet"
excessive: "well, if you can’t make a cell phone call from 30,000 feet, who’s the kook and nutcase? you, asshole. anybody see the logic here? no? here it is: if you can’t make a cell phone call from 30,000, then yes, cheney/bush did it. "
grandiose One entry found.
grandiose
Main Entry:gran·di·ose Pronunciation: \ˈgran-dē-ˌōs, ˌgran-dē-ˈ\ Function:adjective Etymology:French, from Italian grandioso, from grande great, from Latin grandisDate:1838 1 : characterized by affectation of grandeur or splendor or by absurd exaggeration 2 : impressive because of uncommon largeness, scope, effect, or grandeur
excessive One entry found.
excessive
Main Entry:ex·ces·sive Pronunciation: \ik-ˈse-siv\ Function:adjective Date:14th century : exceeding what is usual, proper, necessary, or normal — ex·ces·sive·ly adverb — ex·ces·sive·ness noun synonyms excessive, immoderate, inordinate, extravagant, exorbitant, extreme mean going beyond a normal limit. excessive implies an amount or degree too great to be reasonable or acceptable <excessive punishment>. immoderate implies lack of desirable or necessary restraint <immoderate spending>. inordinate implies an exceeding of the limits dictated by reason or good judgment <inordinate pride>. extravagant implies an indifference to restraints imposed by truth, prudence, or good taste <extravagant claims for the product>. exorbitant implies a departure from accepted standards regarding amount or degree <exorbitant prices>. extreme may imply an approach to the farthest limit possible or conceivable but commonly means only to a notably high degree <extreme shyness>.
Just testing you Fek. Way to jump through hoops.
…
The Mighty Fek’lhr would get mad, but He has a lot of dead hookers to console Him. OOOPS! This one ain’t dead! DOR SHO GHA!
*PYOO PYOO PYOO*
Ah, nothing like the smell of charred hair and cheap perfume in the morning! QAPLAH!
Ok, so maybe I am an egomaniac. So fucking what?
And am I the only one that noticed that excessive is a synonym of excessive?
See, that’s why we keep you around Jack! You may have given up being funny (not me being a jerk, you said it), but your powers of observation are still sharp.
catch me: i’ll wire the money to lance immediately. when he verifies it’s in his account, you do the same.
at that point it’s a done deal. one of us walks with the 20. if you connect by cell phone to lance at 12,000 feet (‘hi, it’s catch me’ and on an airplane with 2001 technology), it’s yours.
i’ll meet you at any airport in the continental US. your choice.
either of us backs out, he forfeits.
yes or no. you say yes and i wire the money then you don’t wire your part, you stay off this blog.
you’re a liar and an intellectual coward. i’m calling you on your lie.
lance has already agreed to hold the money.
i know there are people reading this who have done some research, googled, say, ‘cell phone reception + airplanes’ and therefore know that you’re a liar. they must at least suspect that you’re an intellectual coward. that none of these people have chimed in is a disappointment but not a surprise.
they fear people like you, even knowing they are fearing liars and intellectual cowards. they fear the sort of ridicule that makes an optimist of Orwell. i don’t have that fear.
what’s it gonna be?
i’ll wire the money immediately.
allan
This is what I think:
I think this wager is doomed in the first place because it is now 2007, almost 2008. This test could not be done flawlessly now, because it is no longer 2001. If a call connected, there then could be a welch on the bet on the grounds that what is being used is no longer 2001 technology. Sure, you could get an older cellphone, but I believe (based on stuff I think I read awhile ago) whether or not you could connect has more to do with the cellphone towers and the distance they can transmit/recieve. Also, and don’t quote me on this, but the airlines have been adding systems to their planes that help cellphones connect and hand off wireless signals to combat the problems with the towers dropping the calls.
Again, I don’t really know what I am talking about, I just read some stuff over the last few years, and I’m not even sure if I’m remembering it correctly. But I do believe the problems with making calls in an airliner has to do with the signal being dropped because of how quickly the plane moves in and out of range of towers. What I understand is that if you make the call at the right time, you can connect, but it will most likely be dropped VERY quickly.
Again, don’t quote me on any of that. I just don’t feel like researching my claims and assertions. Apologies. Goodnight. May everyone fall on their faces with their hands in their pockets.
Nom, are you playing peacemaker? What happened to your schtick of getting overly angry?
I don’t really get overly angry. It may come off that way, but I don’t usually get angry. I do however get jealous when others are engaging in an intellectual debate which I didn’t start, and am not a part of. So, no, not playing peacemaker, just really trying to point out the potential for an unsure outcome. And, with that amount of money involved, an outcome that isn’t cut and dry could spell uglyness for all parties involved. I bet money on pool.
You told me it was your schtick (in slightly different words). Ya-huh. So. Yeah. Ummm. I don’t really have a point other than that.
Yeah, I say lots of things. I was probably trying to explain away my awkward thought process and search for words. It was probably easier to just say being a dick is my schtick. I’ve always somehow said stuff in a way that other people take as being a dick, or being insulting. I have gotten Un-Laid more times than I can count. I don’t mean for things to come off the way some people take them. So, apologies if I have unintentionally upset you. Trust me, I’m still trying to do ya. If only I could say things in a few words like other people can. But for some reason, when I talk, all these other words make a run for it.
I’m Canadian. I don’t get upset, I get even*.
*one of these sentences nullifies the other one.
I don’t get mad, I get stabby.*
*Not my joke.
have you ever tried to make a cell phone call from a commercial airliner at above a thousand feet, let alone at cruising altitude? Can’t be done. Impossible. Yet they have multiple calls going through, no problem.
The only problem I have with this is that it appears the bulk of the calls from 93 were made on airphones, not cells, and that the two cell calls that were made happened at an estimated altitude of approx. 5,000 ft (close enough, that "impossible" is crossed off the list).
Off topic: BTW, stabby is a nice place to be.
I have no clue about any of this, and I’m far too busy looking at internet porn to google anything other than myself. But I’ll say this: I would be happy to hold the money for this bet. And Lance would be a fool to not make a deal with Allan to have his phone turned off during the bet.
Allan, yank my crank. I don’t have 10 G’s and even if I did I wouldn’t be interested. Your job is to provide me entertainment and you’re doing a fine job.
Now, I don’t imagine Lance’s dream for this interview series was that it turn into a big 911 arguement so I will not be on that subject anymore.
Further more I won’t be yanking your chain anymore, though I really enjoy doing it, for the same reasons.
Lastly, have a nice time in Mexico, bang a senorita for me and bring back an extra bale for me.
catch me:
yanking my chain? now you’re just a cool guy yanking the big shot writer’s chain? what a cool guy you are.
and you really enjoy doing it, right, like i’m the fool here? yanking my chain? something like one million human beings have died in cheney/bush’s empire-building wars, spawned by 9/11, and you’re a cool guy yanking chains?
you, YOU, are the personification of what is wrong with this sorry ass world.
you will not be on the subject of 9/11 and how i’m a nutcase and a kook anymore, huh?
bottom line: you never made any cell phone calls from commercial airliners, did you?
Did you?
of course you didn’t. you lied.
you call someone who cares about truth and the utter contempt YOU have been subjected to by the murderous bastards who are running our country… you call this person a kook and a nutcase, and now you’re trying to cop some high ground by saying MY JOB is to entertain you? like i’m your employee? no my friend, i’m not your employee, i’m your worst nightmare: i’m the guy who calls you on your denial, your self-delusion, and your bullshit.
entertain you?
you don’t have 10 grand. fuck it. how much do you have? i’ll put up the 10, you put up whatever you can afford. thing is, i get to film this, and write about it. i’ll make you famous.
whaddya say? i mean let’s get serious here, entertain some folks, lance would love it; it’d do wonders for his traffic.
hey: i can be as relentless as the lies you’ve been told, and are telling.
allan
If you are running Windows XP: Open a new, blank notepad document. Type the following ——–>
bush hid the facts
<—–
type it exactly as I did. Now save the document. Doesn’t matter what you name it, just save it somewhere. Then close it. Now go to the document, and open it. Simple enough.
Oh, coke and pepsi are the same thing. Wake Up people!!
By Kahless’ Beard, man! The more time you spend here trying to brow-beat "Catch me", the more you prove him/her right about you being a kook and a nutcase. Here is a constructive criticism:
Try doing something "constructive" about these lies the murderers that are running our country (other than talking shit and waving a $10,000 dick around at some good ol’ boys on a humor film-site).
To any rational minded person, allan, you are coming off like a crazed homeless guy in a narrow subway with a rusty knife. Maybe you get your kicks by doing this kind of shit, but all of your "truths" about 9/11 are completely obscured by your ranting, egomania, unprofessionalism, raging, and obsessive compulsion regarding a few of the posters here.
Consequently, I am scheduled to take a flight soon. I don’t care about your $10,000. However, just what the fuck are you going to do if *I* get through on my cell? There ain’t enough crow in the world at this point, tough guy.
insert: are perpetuating after "running our country"
Fek’lhr is undertaking an elaborate long con, all in the hopes of getting Lance’s phone number.
I smell a stalker!Oh, wait, thats just the way us types smell.Can we introduce Allan to DB?
I’d really like to see that.
allan gets a legal pardon (that’s how we fly in the north) until I get to see what his writing is like. Any fury in my direction will be responded to with obsessive apologies (that’s how we fly in the north). I don’t trust any opinion but my own. I’ve worked hard to optain it, I can’t escape it, so, yeah.
-p +b (I wish typing was a strong suit of mine, alas)
just adding fuel to the fire: cell phone tower antennas are configured to radiate and receive signals in a plane (the geometric kind of plane), like a pancake. Although, not *that* flat. The speed of an airplane factored with the radiation pattern of the cell-tower antennas makes it very hard to get a signal. I have left my phone on several times and turned it off mid-flight. I have never seen a signal from a plane, although I have texted whilst taking off and landing (not that high up obviously) and I was also there when my boss answered his 8 y/o’s phone call. The kid was half way to San Fran from Vegas, he was scared shitless/crying so he called using his dad’s sidekick II. The call lasted for 2-3 minutes from what I recall, also:
New York Times: "According to industry experts, it is possible to use cell phones with varying success during the ascent and descent of commercial airline flights, although the difficulty of maintaining a signal appears to increase as planes gain altitude. Some older phones, which have stronger transmitters and operate on analog networks, can be used at a maximum altitude of 10 miles, while phones on newer digital systems can work at altitudes of 5 to 6 miles. A typical airline cruising altitude would be 35,000 feet, or about 6.6 miles."
Washington Post: An FCC study in 2000 found that cell-phone use aboard aircraft increases the number of blocked or dropped calls on the ground. That’s because at high altitude, cellular signals are spread across several base stations, preventing other callers within range of those base stations from using the same frequencies.
Personally, I think calls can be made from such altitudes, but theyre not going to be the best because the network was designed as terrestrial, with 2-D cells laid across the surface of the earth. As the network is laid out on the ground in cells, the frequencies are re-used by towers and customers in non-adjacent cells. That means that you can be in Hoboken using your cellphone on channel x, while another cellular user is in Harlem also talking on channel x. Even on the same frequency, because of the distance, your phone on the ground in Hoboken does not interfere with the phone in Harlem. Now imagine you are in a plane 15,000 ft over Manhattan. Your signal is equally strong in Harlem and Hoboken. This destroys the geographic frequency re-use of the cellular network, and as you know, frequency spectrum is a rare resource in this industry. Simply put, airplane-based cellular use does not fit the design of our current cellular networks.
Take from that what you will, I can personally care less. Now, time to drink.
a note to fek lhr: according to the 9/11 Commission Report, the cell phone calls started at 9:03 AM. At 9:03 flight 93 was at cruising altitude, well above 30,000 feet.
btw: what kind of name is that? fek lhr? sounds arab. you should be in guantanamo with a name like that. you know, just in case.
allan
what happened to crapbasket? he sure shut his trap, didn’t he?
Klingon, actually.
He’s a trek nerd. So it would be a better world if we could take him to Gitmo and torture him to try and force him to break character. Or, better yet- KILL IT!
NO KILL I!
Since this is a site for film fans, thought I’d respond to an observation one of you made about the coverage system: that it’s necessary because of the godawful volume of horrible screenplays the studios are bombarded with.
Excellent point. As someone who for a decade and a half was offered rewrite after rewrite, I’m painfully aware of the near illiteracy let alone bad storytelling of the average screenplay. (I’ve written 18 or 20 screenplays myself and they weren’t all gems, to say the least.)
So what we basically have is the unqualified overseeing the talent-less. Here’s a little chunk from CYGAWA that sums up the ‘unqualified’ part:
But first for perspective I want you to imagine something. Imagine that a bunch of lawyers and MBAs get together and buy a hospital. One day they’re sitting around and an MBA or lawyer says, “You know, I’ve always wanted to try my hand at brain surgery.” Another MBA or lawyer nods, saying that when he was a freshman at college he was thinking of going to medical school. “Hey…” he says, “we own the hospital. We can do what we want. Let’s go down to the operating room and give it a shot!”
This is Hollywood in a nutshell, when producers and studio executives, MBAs and lawyers, insert themselves into the creative process, the storytelling process. Which they just cannot help themselves from doing. It makes them feel like they’re actually doing something — aside from making phone calls and getting coverage instead of reading anything. They also do it because they can. Hey, they own the hospital.
Okay. In my opinion, that the overseers are unqualified makes the bad writing issue somewhat moot, since they (the overseers) don’t know a good screenplay from a bad one. If you get my drift.
But in a way, I stand corrected. My feeling was that ‘bad writing’ would have been a bit off subject.
Speaking of off-subject: I do hope you all realize that the cell phone discussion, the back and forth insults and so forth were not my doing. I was called a kook and a nutcase for a couple sentences (of simple factual truth) in a 7,000 word interview, and publicly.
I defended myself. (And for doing so, still another moron basically called me clinically insane.)
Wouldn’t you?
Okay, allan, I agree and sympathize with alot of what you’re saying there. It seems hollywood picks projects based on things like the title of the movie, who’s in it, and a bunch of stuff focused on what will make a bunch of money, not what could potentially be a great timeless movie. Much like why i think the music industry is hurting. The record labels are too focused on "what people want to hear" instead of focusing on "what the real musicians want to play". As a consequence, there is a bunch of shit music all over the place, with a small number of good artists.
Similarly, I think that studios should try putting there chips on giving a brilliant director a budget to just do whatever the heck he wants to do, no stipulations. Then someone might make a breakthrough movie that otherwise would have never been made.
One last thing, this being the internet, and being FilmDrunk, I think you failed to consider that being called a "kook" may have been friendly ribbing, or like a pet name. Also, everyone hates me. But i’ve found that if I let it visibly bother me, I’ll be torn to sheds. And by people with insanely low IQ’s. People like Bush(who’s shoe size might actually be higher).
This your first time on the internet? Grow a fucking spine. There is what you say happened:
Speaking of off-subject: I do hope you all realize that the cell phone discussion, the back and forth insults and so forth were not my doing. I was called a kook and a nutcase for a couple sentences (of simple factual truth) in a 7,000 word interview, and publicly.
I defended myself. (And for doing so, still another moron basically called me clinically insane.)
Then there is what actually happened:
We didn’t all line up and obediently kiss your ass and it pissed you off and you acted out like a crybaby. There is more "simple factual truth" to my diagnosing you with Narcissistic Personality Disorder (not clinically insane, you melodramatic attention-seeker, are all of your facts summarized in a way to support *your* story?) than anything you expect *us* to take for face value, from *you*, about cell phone calls in planes.
Finally, to drive home my point, you are arguing cell phone semantics with Klingon impersonators, people that make dead hooker/pedophile/2girls1cup/beastiality/graphic novel jokes. Do you like picking on people you perceive as "easy prey"?
Any fucking idiot with a crayon and a napkin can write a screenplay. Only a real imbecile lashes out at faceless people on the internet. I am quite done with this issue.
**torn to shreds
I understand they may need underlings to read scripts sent to them out of the blue to weed out the awfulness, but I think the problem lies in people buying descriptions of scripts. It’s like buying a child without checking its teeth, or kicking it in the shins a few times to see if it’s a whiner, just poor common sense. Or, a less creepy simile, it’s like buying a house from the description in the paper.
Since this is a site for film fans, thought I’d respond to an observation one of you made about the coverage system: that it’s necessary because of the godawful volume of horrible screenplays the studios are bombarded with.
Excellent point. As someone who for a decade and a half was offered rewrite after rewrite, I’m painfully aware of the near illiteracy let alone bad storytelling of the average screenplay. (I’ve written 18 or 20 screenplays myself and they weren’t all gems, to say the least.)
So what we basically have is the unqualified overseeing the talent-less. Here’s a little chunk from CYGAWA that sums up the ‘unqualified’ part:
But first for perspective I want you to imagine something. Imagine that a bunch of lawyers and MBAs get together and buy a hospital. One day they’re sitting around and an MBA or lawyer says, “You know, I’ve always wanted to try my hand at brain surgery.” Another MBA or lawyer nods, saying that when he was a freshman at college he was thinking of going to medical school. “Hey…” he says, “we own the hospital. We can do what we want. Let’s go down to the operating room and give it a shot!”
This is Hollywood in a nutshell, when producers and studio executives, MBAs and lawyers, insert themselves into the creative process, the storytelling process. Which they just cannot help themselves from doing. It makes them feel like they’re actually doing something — aside from making phone calls and getting coverage instead of reading anything. They also do it because they can. Hey, they own the hospital.
Okay. In my opinion, that the overseers are unqualified makes the bad writing issue somewhat moot, since they (the overseers) don’t know a good screenplay from a bad one. If you get my drift.
But in a way, I stand corrected. My feeling was that ‘bad writing’ would have been a bit off subject.
Speaking of off-subject: I do hope you all realize that the cell phone discussion, the back and forth insults and so forth were not my doing. I was called a kook and a nutcase for a couple sentences (of simple factual truth) in a 7,000 word interview, and publicly.
I defended myself. (And for doing so, still another moron basically called me clinically insane.)
Wouldn’t you?
When people don’t answer our questions are we supposed to repost them? because most of my "comments" are questions, and most of those questions disguised as comments aren’t answered by anyone here. In fact, this comment began with a question, or was it a comment disguised as a question? I don’t know. Should I keep asking? If a tree falls in the forest…? This is all getting a bit gyre-like. Have a good night everyone.
ECHO! ECHO! ECHO! Echo! echo…
HOLY FUCKTARDS in A STEAMING CUP O COW SKAT!
What the fuck did I miss around here, I got called a liar and I got "mutherfuck"[ed] but wasn’t paying anymore attention to this thread. Dude allan learn to PM your threats like a normal FilmDrunkard. Well allan, please excuse me in the tardiness of my reply and allow me a moment to compose my retort.
<Crapbasket breaks character>
Having an internet flame war is the same as competing in the Special Olympics. Win or loose, you’re still retarded. -Anonymous
Dear Sir,
It would seem that a passing comment of mine has stirred quite the shitstorm over here and after muddling through the comments, in my defense and to clarify I offer the following;
I have no intention of arguing the validity of my comments regarding cell phone calls made from commercial airliners. I have done it, it works. Over urban areas with a dense population of cell towers it is possible to make fragmented calls. Texting which I believe uses some form of burst data packets works rather well. As to the gauntlet thrown at my feet I respond thusly, “Dude…really?”
The puerile schoolyard baseness of this challenge is almost laughable. The phones, and transmission towers of the time have been replaced, retired, upgraded, thereby making a empirically sound replication impossible and negating this little experiment before it has begun. So, no, I have no intention of playing airplane-cell-phone-grabass with you. Now is the part where you call me a “no balls having lying pussy” and I dismiss you.
As for the greater issue at hand. You quote Sir Arthur Conan Doyle’s statement about parsing perceptions thereby simplifying to the truth, but in doing so you open the argument about which is more simple, the idea that; A secret cabal of hidden government conspirators from a hollow shell organization ala the Carlisle Group perpetrated a plan in absolute secrecy and near perfect competence to strike at the US to instigate a global empirical power grab, or a group of fanatical extremists through sheer luck, audacity and gigantic balls committed that horrible act using our very freedoms against us to kick us in the same. I see your Doyle and raise you Ockham’s Razor. (Occam’s to the plebes). To posit the first you are giving the upper echelons of this government, “elected” or hidden, a much greater capacity for proficiency than I would. To believe the latter, one must recognize a basic principle that many people have a hard time accepting, that shit happens.
People had similar theories regarding Pearl Harbor, that the US allowed the Japs to sucker punch us so that we would have the justification and nationalistic fervor needed to kick all asses and take over the world in WWII. Conspiracy still swarms about and occludes the facts surrounding the JFK assassination and the supposed CIA/DOD/mob/Castro/New Orleans fags connections. Also around Roswell, the USS Maine, Katrina and the levies, crack, AIDS… ad nauseum.
Thing is, it is natural for people to want to conflate shit happening with some great conspiracy because, counter intuitively, it makes them feel better. To accept shit happening makes clear just how weak, and vulnerable, and lacking control we all are in the fact of happenstance and the whims of the Great Magnet. However; if there is some grand conspiracy, some hidden purpose to it all, well, then there is a degree of sense and cause injected into it and people feel comforted by that. (See; God, religion, mysticism, astrology. Also; Bullshit)
In closing, I may have provoked your ire in, by proxy of lumping you in with “911 conspiracy nuts” called you an “uninformed assbag” and for my crass statement I offer my apology. To rationalize, this is a site where people occupy the personas of slack jawed apes and bash one another regularly. That being said, this argument is moot.. I see you as deluded and irrational, you see me as a fool languishing in my Orwellian overlord’s deceptions. Nothing you say to me, or I in rejoinder will sway our positions, so I propose that we hug it out, agree to respect our disparate positions, and if the opportunity ever arose, smoke a good one, sip a fine voting age scotch and continue a spirited blow fueled and civilized discourse about all manner of fucked up shit. I look forward to perusing your works, you seem a very zesty character.
Sincerely, Dir…uh… Crapbasket
P.S. Motherfucker to you too.
<Crapbasket gets back into character>
Chainsaw tittyfuck Bay and Brukhiemer! Yogurt tacos to starlette babes.
FART!
Wow, you typed all those comments in two minutes? Well, then I will forgive you for one of your two mistakes.
The first mistake was typing "loose" instead of "lose", and that is a perfectly accaeptable typo.
The unacceptable mistake was saying "Hug it out".
I am so disallusioned right now.
Maybe I was calling retards loose. You know they are asking for it, with the googly eyes and the drool, and the helmets… fapfapfapfap…
I used to work with a loose retarded girl. She was always trying to get into my pants.
There’s no joke here. This is another one of my patented true stories.
i have a triage system:
a very small minority of people realize the extent to which lies are all pervasive in this world (i mean ALL PERVASIVE, not just that ‘politicians usually lie’). maybe 5%. i’m not interested in them. preaching to the choir, etc. (in medical triage, these are people who will survive without help.)
the vast majority — 90% at least — people like catch me and crapbasket, will always believe what makes them comfortable, no matter what information they are exposed to. (injured that will die no matter what you do, so you leave them to die.)
then there’s a small minority that just maaaaybe can be helped, simply by providing them with facts and information, like the two books i mention (impeccably sourced and backed up information). these are the people i’m interested in, the ‘save-able. lalala, you sound like you’re in that group. i know there are others out there.
before i get accused of ‘grandiosity’ or whatever clinical insanity that moron claimed i’m suffering from: i do not purport to know the truth, only what is not the truth.
so i try to point people toward information that the mainstream media will not go near, or acknowledge. for chrissake, just do some fuckin googling. it’s all there.
really gotta go. got a film to make.
allan
I’m beyond help. Just leave me to die. No, don’t try to save me.
Save yourself.
I’m glad Allan Weisbecker is an ancient longboarder kook.
Hi Allan
If you wonder about 9~11 and don’t have anything better to do check out this site
[www.prisonplanet.com]
~~~~~~~~~~~since this seems to be a movie site~ I saw "I’m not there" the Dylan movie twice this weekend and loved it.
SURF"S UPdaily